arfur mo Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 the hole thing was a joke.it looked like you were struggling to make your point. are you saying in mrs miggins house you would wire an additional psu just incase bob gets fruity with his hammer? im not saying its wrong its great but you obviously work for yourself cus most firms wouldent pay the extra for such a rare occorance if i'm struggling, it's to get others to see the serious advantages and merits of spltting supplies onto dedicated fuses, but at east keep the main items running should the worst happen. it's not a case of wiring an additionl PSU for this (which i do on bigger jobs) but splitting up via fuses to stop a short on a pir (which happens quit a lot if mr decorator from eastern eurpean country, decides to remove the detector before servicing the boiler and killing the keypads. unfortunetly you correct perhaps firms won't pay the extra, but thats where i part company and association with those companies who would claim they are high quality - not in my eye's . to me, and not aimed at anyone in this discussion, when i see work done that way as you do in life, i feel it draws the line in the sand between a true alarm engineer/installer and the run of the mill 'alarm fitter'. Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
sjsturner Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 if i'm struggling, it's to get others to see the serious advantages and merits of spltting supplies onto dedicated fuses, but at east keep the main items running should the worst happen. it's not a case of wiring an additionl PSU for this (which i do on bigger jobs) but splitting up via fuses to stop a short on a pir (which happens quit a lot if mr decorator from eastern eurpean country, decides to remove the detector before servicing the boiler and killing the keypads. unfortunetly you correct perhaps firms won't pay the extra, but thats where i part company and association with those companies who would claim they are high quality - not in my eye's . to me, and not aimed at anyone in this discussion, when i see work done that way as you do in life, i feel it draws the line in the sand between a true alarm engineer/installer and the run of the mill 'alarm fitter'. Arfur dont get me wrong im not saying your wrong or your methods are bad.there fine.but your not any better than anyone else because you put additional fuses in.i think it takes more than this to be the dogs imo.
arfur mo Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 so your saying because its diy we should advise him to put more kit in? carpet fitters?so after all that from the pro it seems you dont mind running cables next to gripper!priceless your making assumptions, where did i say that i run any cable next to carpet gripper? but who can assume the o/p has not? i've never worked for BT either, but then the skirting is usually their domain and i'm no good at such heights . Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
sjsturner Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 your making assumptions, where did i say that i run any cable next to carpet gripper? but who can assume the o/p has not? i've never worked for BT either, but then the skirting is usually their domain and i'm no good at such heights . Arfur bt-skirting?thats only if you get a good bt engineer!
arfur mo Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 bt-skirting?thats only if you get a good bt engineer! yoiu got me cold - even i can't debate against that lol! Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
sjsturner Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 yoiu got me cold - even i can't debate against that lol! Arfur my uncle in law works for them.hes good though when he installs a new phone point instead of just forcing half of an inch 8 screw into solid wall with no wall plugs.he also uses a bit of no nails!they obviously have the best condition drills cus they never use them! you can imagine the conversations at family doos.
arfur mo Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 dont get me wrong im not saying your wrong or your methods are bad.there fine.but your not any better than anyone else because you put additional fuses in.i think it takes more than this to be the dogs imo. again i agree, but it is but a little tiny part of the attention i give to the whole installation at every point. if you spend any time on service (and anyone going to start up i'd strongly recommend it) you get to see what go's wrong, and early on you soon get to understand why what seems a good method or valid short cut is not so cever after all. you may be happy with what you do i don't know, but i am definately very different to anyone else (incase you did not noticr ), what makes me happy is zero tollerance to any avoidable faults. i appreciate those working for companies are restricted by time and cost constraints, one of the big reasons i left my last employement to start up, just because i was not allowed the time to do the job properly (as i see it), they were in transtion to swallowed by Honeywell to be fair, so the verve for high quality thay had at one time, had gone out of it. i won't ever be rich, but i won't likely ever be unhappy either. Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
arfur mo Posted January 26, 2011 Posted January 26, 2011 my uncle in law works for them.hes good though when he installs a new phone point instead of just forcing half of an inch 8 screw into solid wall with no wall plugs.he also uses a bit of no nails!they obviously have the best condition drills cus they never use them! you can imagine the conversations at family doos. my favourit banter line's on site is to say "i can't put 'BT Engineer' in a sentence - due to the trade description act" "if BT had real engineers - the UK might have a real communiactions system" try those one on him, but be fast on your toes . Arfur If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
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