Antsplan Posted March 18, 2011 Posted March 18, 2011 Hi all Following on from my previous thread Re ADT or Local Installer, I decided to go with the local installer. I'm really glad I did as I think the guys have done a great install and I've got a very good deal. My only slight reservation is that I got a 'dumb' box, it doesn't even flash or sound. I was told I would need a cable run from box to control unit to make this work. My question then is, is there any way to do this wirelessly ? I.e. Make it sound/light in synch with CU. The installer also mentioned a strobe module powered by a battery could be fitted to the box - are these easy to source ? Last question, I got a bunch of key fobs with the system but I was thinking that if stored with my keys and my keys got stolen then the thief could also switch off my alarm ? There appeared to be a setting on the keypad to allow a set with fob but only a code entry to unset the alarm but the installer couldn't get this to work. Has anyone been able to get this to work ? My keypad is a Galaxy Mk7 LCD. Thanks in advance A Edit to add, I can probably locate a spare cat 6 which is already in place to use between box and CU if required. I guess though I would need a bell/light in there also ?
Cubit Posted March 18, 2011 Posted March 18, 2011 Begs the question why you didn't tell your installer of your requirements (bell)
Antsplan Posted March 19, 2011 Author Posted March 19, 2011 Begs the question why you didn't tell your installer of your requirements (bell) That's very helpful, thanks! It also assumes that it's my responsibility as a customer to fully understand the system. To answer your point though I did assume that all alarms had an external bell, that was my naievety as a non alarm expert, i. e. a customer. It's probably something that should have been discussed but wasn't, I don't think anyone is to blame or we are both equally to blame, hence why I haven't kicked off at the installer. I'm trying to find a solution to the problem as opposed to apportioning blame. If you think you can help, please post, otherwise can I ask you to ignore this thread. Best A
Cubit Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 That's very helpful, thanks! It also assumes that it's my responsibility as a customer to fully understand the system. To answer your point though I did assume that all alarms had an external bell, that was my naievety as a non alarm expert, i. e. a customer. It's probably something that should have been discussed but wasn't, I don't think anyone is to blame or we are both equally to blame, hence why I haven't kicked off at the installer. I'm trying to find a solution to the problem as opposed to apportioning blame. If you think you can help, please post, otherwise can I ask you to ignore this thread. Best A Wasn't having a 'pop'. Have you called them and voiced your concerns? That is the best way to resolve it.
Antsplan Posted March 19, 2011 Author Posted March 19, 2011 Wasn't having a 'pop'. Have you called them and voiced your concerns? That is the best way to resolve it. Ok man, I did think you were having a pop. Genuine apologies. I have called them and am awaiting a response, I just wanted to be armed with the correct info from you guys for when they did respond. They are saying that it's rare that anyone fits a bell in domestic installs especially where you have police response as it is typically just ignored, which I accept is probably true in most cases. From my pov if the alarm is set off I want as many people as possible to know about it. I have some good neighbours and I'm certain they would respond. Hope there is no hard feelings. A
MrHappy Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Cat6 is does not meet with the standards for alarm cable If you want a live box, as the system is under contract with your installer you must instruct them to do it rather than add stuff yourself. Using a prox to unset is the cheap & easy way to not effect the conformation process. Mr Veritas God
kwc Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 So if they say no bell required, What happens if the comms link is down?
MrHappy Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 So if they say no bell required, as far as I'am a aware an external bell has never been a requirement What happens if the comms link is down? shows ATS fault, rings internal siren if alarm or signals via 2nd path if fitted Mr Veritas God
Antsplan Posted March 19, 2011 Author Posted March 19, 2011 Cat6 is does not meet with the standards for alarm cable If you want a live box, as the system is under contract with your installer you must instruct them to do it rather than add stuff yourself. Using a prox to unset is the cheap & easy way to not effect the conformation process. Ah ok, I thought it would just require some of the copper pairs from the cat 6 cable. Can I ask please what exactly is alarm cable ? Could I also ask you to expand on 'prox' please and how this would work ? The last two questions are really for me to just try and learn a wee bit, I will be taking your advice and getting the contractor to do the job. Thanks for your input. A Mr Happy I see you mentioning a second path, I'm assuming this would be gsm or such like ? Is it simply a case of popping in a sim card to the G2 CU ? Thanks again.
PeterJames Posted March 19, 2011 Posted March 19, 2011 Hi all Following on from my previous thread Re ADT or Local Installer, I decided to go with the local installer. I'm really glad I did as I think the guys have done a great install and I've got a very good deal. My only slight reservation is that I got a 'dumb' box, it doesn't even flash or sound. I was told I would need a cable run from box to control unit to make this work. Are both box's dummy's? My question then is, is there any way to do this wirelessly ? I.e. Make it sound/light in synch with CU. The installer also mentioned a strobe module powered by a battery could be fitted to the box - are these easy to source ? Its an LED that flash's constantly, the battery lasts a couple of years Last question, I got a bunch of key fobs with the system but I was thinking that if stored with my keys and my keys got stolen then the thief could also switch off my alarm ? If the alarm is monitored then you can only arm and disarm using the fobs, there are other alternatives where the system will allow you to use code, but without doing a full risk assessment I would not be happy about providing advice on an internet forum. There appeared to be a setting on the keypad to allow a set with fob but only a code entry to unset the alarm but the installer couldn't get this to work. He wont because the system is set set up as EN50131 DD243 6.4.2 so the panel will not let you use a code to disarm the system unless it has activated or the entry time has expired Has anyone been able to get this to work ? My keypad is a Galaxy Mk7 LCD. Thanks in advance A Edit to add, I can probably locate a spare cat 6 which is already in place to use between box and CU if required. I guess though I would need a bell/light in there also ? Cant use cat 6 alarm cable is the only cable compliant If the system is monitored you should not be contemplating making changes to it, if something were to go wrong you could end up with the Police on your doorstep. Regarding the fobs I have always kept my car key and my front door key on a separate bunch, I do this because I once locked my car keys in my car outside my house, I couldnt get in my house to get the spare car key because my house keys were on the same bunch now I keep them separate and I have my fob on my car key bunch, so if anyone gets my house key they can get in but cant disarm my alarm.
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