wheeze Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 (edited) Hi, first time poster, tried a search but couldn't see anything that would help. I'm a tenant, have been living in this house for a year now. It has a Concept 6 intruder alarm but helpfully the landlady didn't have any instruction manuals to go with it. The first couple of nights after we moved in, the alarm went off in the middle of the night but it had not been set. I spoke to landlady (who found it highly amusing) but the alarm stopped going off and when an engineer turned up about two months later, he didn't bother looking at it. A year on, and it's started going off again. The alarm is constantly set to "day" programme, when the alarm goes off the tamper light shows up. I have no idea where the main box is to check if the battery needs changing. My landlady is ignoring me. Since 0630 this morning, it's gone off 5 times. I'm swiftly getting to the point of grabbing a sledgehammer! I have now downloaded both user manual and engineering information, neither of which seem to be much help (especially as I don't know where the main board is...) Please someone help me!! Edited April 14, 2011 by wheeze Quote
PeterJames Posted April 14, 2011 Posted April 14, 2011 Hi, first time poster, tried a search but couldn't see anything that would help. I'm a tenant, have been living in this house for a year now. It has a Concept 6 intruder alarm but helpfully the landlady didn't have any instruction manuals to go with it. The first couple of nights after we moved in, the alarm went off in the middle of the night but it had not been set. I spoke to landlady (who found it highly amusing) but the alarm stopped going off and when an engineer turned up about two months later, he didn't bother looking at it. A year on, and it's started going off again. The alarm is constantly set to "day" programme, when the alarm goes off the tamper light shows up. I have no idea where the main box is to check if the battery needs changing. My landlady is ignoring me. Since 0630 this morning, it's gone off 5 times. I'm swiftly getting to the point of grabbing a sledgehammer! I have now downloaded both user manual and engineering information, neither of which seem to be much help (especially as I don't know where the main board is...) Please someone help me!! Hi Weeze A tamper fault is a 24hr circuit that monitors (as the name suggests) anyone tampering with the detectors/ bell/control unit. Unfortunately, the concept is fairly basic and only gives one indication for any one of the tamper circuits, this means to find out what is causing it you really need a multimeter and the ability to use it, though if its going externally as well as indoors there is a high possibility the fault is with the sounder, or the cable to it If you press prog and enter your code this may stop it Alarm systems need regular servicing to stop this sort of thing happening Quote
wheeze Posted April 14, 2011 Author Posted April 14, 2011 Thanks Peter, the alarm does seem to be only sounding internally. I will try the prog and code treatment, I take it this is from "day" setting? I will nag my landlady again... Quote
Ken B Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 I also have a concept 6 which has worked very reliably for several decades. Recently it has triggered a tamper alarm when in day mode. 04-04-20 22:00? Alarm went off whilst watching TV. Alarm not set. 05-04-20 06:00 Alarm went off. Tamper alarm 01-07-202 23:50 Alarm went off. Tamper alarm Reset just set off internal alarm again. Don't think external sounders went off.(according to manual?) 02-07-20 Disconnected Tamper circuit and installed link. 02-07-20 Installed new battery. Measured individual tamper circuits. All either 3.0 Ohms or 1.5 Ohms 5 circuits downstairs and 6 upstairs. Total 11. Measured 18 ohms for complete tamper circuit. No open circuits. Left link installed in tamper terminals 15 & 16. 10-08-20 18:00? Tamper alarm went off 09:00 Tamper alarm went off again. Left it in the alarm condition without resetting. Removed the internal sounder. Reset one or two days later and hasn’t yet gone off. As the unit has still presented a tamper fault since I installed the link on the tamper circuit then it must be something else? Am I right in assuming that the bell box tamper circuit whilst not using the tamper circuit for the PIRs presents a tamper alarm on the remote keypad? I.e. the tamper LED is illuminated by either the normal PIR tamper circuit or the bell box tamper circuit? If this is the case then it looks like I have a problem with the Bell box wires or the bell boxes themselves (I have 2) or could still be the Concept 6? What’s the best way of isolating the tamper on the bell boxes without them sounding? Appreciate any advice. Best Regards Ken Quote
al-yeti Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 Loop out bell tamper in panel? Loop bell tamper in one bell Loop bell tamper in other bell Determine which bell has incoming and loop the tamp there Assuming one bell is not a dummy? Should help you find out the problem but as you said above a few decades have gone by now How did you make this post ? Dialup? Quote
Ken B Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 Al-yeti Thanks for the reply. Dial-up? Not sure what you mean. Cut and Paste on i7 laptop and 100mb Internet connection. Just to be clear. Loop out bell tamper in panel" fitting a link to the T & A terminals? I assume this will trigger the alarm but once the code is entered will clear the alarm. Not sure what you mean by "Determine which bell has incoming and loop the tamp there". Both Bell boxes are wired back to the alarm. Quote
al-yeti Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Ken B said: Al-yeti Thanks for the reply. Dial-up? Not sure what you mean. Cut and Paste on i7 laptop and 100mb Internet connection. Just to be clear. Loop out bell tamper in panel" fitting a link to the T & A terminals? I assume this will trigger the alarm but once the code is entered will clear the alarm. Not sure what you mean by "Determine which bell has incoming and loop the tamp there". Both Bell boxes are wired back to the alarm. Nice internet nice i7 Point was get new alarm aswell Normally one bell is wired to the other , so they must have wired and looped the tampers in the panel, perhaps parallel or they using a pair from one bell to the other You need to figure out how it's wired and prove each cable is working , but if they are ok it's probably one of the bell boxes You got ladders and get working Edited August 21, 2020 by al-yeti Quote
Ken B Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 Thanks I should be able to test both bell box cables from the panel. thanks for your help. Quote
PeterJames Posted August 21, 2020 Posted August 21, 2020 Also when was the battery last replaced? Quote
Ken B Posted August 22, 2020 Posted August 22, 2020 Thanks I should be able to test both bell box cables from the panel. thanks for your help. 02-07-20 Installed new battery. Quote
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