Advice On Buying A Cctv Security System Due To Numerous Thefts

[digitalwitness]

what other buyers have saidm 0000's of them,

That seller has sold 4 in the last 30 days, he is registered since feb'10, at that rate he would be lucky to have sold 100 since registered, nevermind 0000's of them.

You will readily admit that you have no experience of CCTV but will not accept its more complicated than you think. Remember this forum is for professional installers who look to do a professional job and offer the advice here for free.

There are many influencing factors in choosing a camera even for the area you have mentioned, while you have mentioned a rough area, you have not mentioned anything about what lighting is present, where it is, what type it is, where the bright spots are (if any), etc.

Take pics day/night put them up and you will get better advice (at least you get that when asked about fixing cars!)

[sixwheeledbeast]

i know the traders on here may not like me highlighting ebay cctv's , partly due to the bargin prices of the systems

ive come on here for proper advice nothing else

I don't think they'll be bothered, anybody looking at that type of kit won't be interested in quality or life expectancy.

It's just DIY kit that's throw away when it breaks.

You will get proper advise like...

I would recommend getting a quote from some approved installers, not necessarily a national like ADT.

You can then see what they recommend and why.

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Secondly at 20ft high looking only 20ft your likely to only see the tops of peoples head's (but this is based on assumptions)

[PeterJames]

When you buy something for a specific job surely you need it to be specific otherwise whats the point

Scale plans giving distances of what you want to see still wont help, I have been installing CCTV for so long now I can look at a view and tell you the focal length required without even thinking about it, but I couldn't do it remotely. There are light levels and allsorts to consider, people think its simple but it's just simple to get it wrong and its hard to get it right if you dont have a clue

The second BIG problem with CCTV is that its flooded with cheap copies of proper cameras some of those copies are quite good some are real ****,( If you have ever purchased one of those fake rolex's on holiday you will know what I mean) the only thing you can do to protect yourself is to buy from someone reputable (If you can find someone like that on the internet) If you have to buy from the internet find someone that advertises a proper address and a phone number email complaints can be ignored and your email address easily put on a spam list.

We as a company will sell direct to the customer to install as DIY but we would ask that you get us to comision the system, though we will instruct and help you all the way, we will come out and survey and tell you what you need and the cameras and recordings will give you the result you need, if you really seriously want decent CCTV you should find a good local company to do the same otherwise you may as well just put you money on rank outsider horse as you have more chance of it coming in than getting it right

[james.wilson]

As a starters

you need your average 1.7m target perp to fill 120% of the screen so you need in simple terms head to knees in shot.

If you can set your camera phone to 640x480 and take some sample shots you will see why it isnt simple.

Then you have to consider lighting. Also you recording starting when a theif is there is impossible, The system cannot decide this. It can however flag motion. Im not a fan of motion only recording but do think dynamic frame rate adjustment on motion is a good idea. ie low fps when no activity. higher when there is. But unless you have decent external sensors you will be relying on cheap and nasty video motion detection. Even well setup pro video motion only systems (ie the detection system only) can cost 10's of thousands and still false positive and miss things. It depends on so much, ie rain, fog, snow, dark, extreme sun light, low winter suns etc etc

[sixwheeledbeast]

You will also need to know how long to record for (before it gets overwriten).

This plus your quality, frame rate, compression type and amount of camera's will all effect how big a hard drive you will require.

Also if the internet viewing is required an your not great with computing, you may require help from an IT bod.

Port forwarding and a Dynamic DNS server will probably need setting up.

[cream2cream]

That seller has sold 4 in the last 30 days, he is registered since feb'10, at that rate he would be lucky to have sold 100 since registered, nevermind 0000's of them. You will readily admit that you have no experience of CCTV but will not accept its more complicated than you think. Remember this forum is for professional installers who look to do a professional job and offer the advice here for free. There are many influencing factors in choosing a camera even for the area you have mentioned, while you have mentioned a rough area, you have not mentioned anything about what lighting is present, where it is, what type it is, where the bright spots are (if any), etc. Take pics day/night put them up and you will get better advice (at least you get that when asked about fixing cars!)

u looking at the right sellers? he's sold 0000's of them

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...#ht_18017wt_932

check the pictures of my site below

You will also need to know how long to record for (before it gets overwriten). This plus your quality, frame rate, compression type and amount of camera's will all effect how big a hard drive you will require. Also if the internet viewing is required an your not great with computing, you may require help from an IT bod. Port forwarding and a Dynamic DNS server will probably need setting up.

i sell 0000's of uk pounds worth of parts over the nbet so im well aware how to use a laptop

check pictures of my warehouse, advice would b much appreciated, ive highlghted where i want camera to be and what area want them to cover

Pictures of my cars have be hidden for security reason's im sure you can understand, there not cheapo's

FRONT OF WAREHOUSE

Side of warehouse

thanks

[cream2cream]

had a phone quote this morning, from some "professional cctv company" = joker.

Phone quoted me £1300 yes ONE THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED UK POUNDS for some wire/ 4 camera's and a recorder LOL

Asked if the system would be quality branded make like sony, came out with it has a "sony chip" but made by a company sony own LOL then after a further 10minutes of asking came out with "its made in japan", so he's most likely buying the one's off ebay and shifting them to unsuspecting punters like myself, what a scum

thanks

[AdrianMealing]

had a phone quote this morning, from some "professional cctv company" = joker.

Phone quoted me £1300 yes ONE THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED UK POUNDS for some wire/ 4 camera's and a recorder LOL

Asked if the system would be quality branded make like sony, came out with it has a "sony chip" but made by a company sony own LOL then after a further 10minutes of asking came out with "its made in japan", so he's most likely buying the one's off ebay and shifting them to unsuspecting punters like myself, what a scum

thanks

Doubt he is buying them of ebay, if it was a pro company you contacted most likely buying from a recognized distributor in the UK, and whats wrong with £1300 sounds perfectly reasonable to me, if anything it's a bit too cheap!

[james.wilson]

1300 sounds cheap but it depends on the gear, quality of the installer what approvals they have, quality of support etc.

What is it you sell then?

I'd also say that with the tone of your replies you don't need our advice, I hope I'm misreading them.

James

[digitalwitness]

u looking at the right sellers? he's sold 0000's of them

http://cgi.ebay.co.u...#ht_18017wt_932

check the pictures of my site below

i sell 0000's of uk pounds worth of parts over the nbet so im well aware how to use a laptop

Yep thats the one, your looking at his feedback score, that does not mean he sold 0000's of DVRs, maybe 50 DVR and 0000's of BNCs, or sweets! Go to goofbay and look it up yourself. It amuses me that you take the word of an ebay seller but not that of a professional Installer that you (I presume) picked out of the Yellow pages or somewhere.

Back to the question at hand - looks like an impressive operation (or building at least), really you could waste £500 pound in a heart beat on ebay, if the stuff you are selling 0000's of pounds worth of stuff surely £1,300 is not that big an investment. There maybe other ways you can get that investment to have a lower overall cost, e.g. contact your insurance company to see if a discount would be available if you install CCTV - they will probably insist on a proper installer.

You have a flood light at the center on the front of the building, if on this can have the effect of only seeing on the bright area with little or no peripheral detail, i.e. the camera may adjust to suit the brightest part and darken the other areas despite being within the view of the camera. Light or the lack of it is going to be one of your biggest problems, ignore the specs that say 30meters IR, besides having to vector in the height, etc. these claims are often well overstated and only in ideal conditions (who knows what they are).

Due to the cable runs you have to be aware of power issues, especially with IR cameras and plug and play cables with the kits is not likely to be long enough or good enough.

The best advice I could give you is to get a professional company to do a site visit and assessment (this is usual free) but if you are determined to do this for £500 your on your own and don't waste their time.