MrHappy Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 I don't need prox, but then who does ? Any one with a proper alarm with a URN who does not what the confirm turing off when they open the door Why is SMS hit and miss? It shouldn't be this day n age. It's usually only the lack of mobile signal that causes delay or delay with the network operator, but that generally isn't an issue for me. So what's the alternatives??? where a panel uses a land line to send sms, it goes thought the networks gateway, you may get your message in an instant, or same day or not at all.... diy is speech dialer or gms module, trade is digi or secure siganlling X10 controller can control devices such as lights, heaters, doors, well anything really. In all honestly though relay outputs would be suffice for me. Easier to buy / build a home auto system than make the alarm do it Mr Veritas God
james.wilson Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 I agree with mr h Re SMS being unreliable just do a search and see the amount of times its discussed here. TAP SMS in my opinion is (begins whith s ends in hit) it really is that bad. Never used one but I'd assume a gsm unit is better. Only reliable way to get landline SMS is with a digicom. But if you have one of those you don't need SMS securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
Avotronics Posted January 31, 2012 Author Posted January 31, 2012 Any one with a proper alarm with a URN who does not what the confirm turing off when they open the door Okay, sounds no big deal but I'll take your word for it. No I aren't bothered about prox. where a panel uses a land line to send sms, it goes thought the networks gateway, you may get your message in an instant, or same day or not at all.... diy is speech dialer or gms module, trade is digi or secure siganlling But if sms texts, or even mobile calls are the endpoint, then there is no reliable way surely. On my old network I used to get some texts the next day. I assume digi and secure signalling has nothing to do with alerting the owner via mobile network then? Easier to buy / build a home auto system than make the alarm do it True, all I want is the signalling which I assume the basic panel will do?
Scotmod Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 Ah the age old industry problem of "will it work" - yes. "will it comply" - no.
Avotronics Posted January 31, 2012 Author Posted January 31, 2012 Sounds like any Ah the age old industry problem of "will it work" - yes. "will it comply" - no. Well that could apply to any industry me thinks! Usually technology orientated...
james.wilson Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 The tech are different OP. Yes the waek link is still the keyholder. But you tend to have more than one of them so even if your mobile is down, your land line wont be or your other keyholders etc. But if it fails to send then no keyholder will be informed. While most dualpath systems use the mobile network as either their primary or secondary path they dont use sms technology. Also they use a redundant reception system which landline TAP based sms does not. I can go into detail if you wish if you dont beleive me. James securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
Scotmod Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 Sounds like any Well that could apply to any industry me thinks! Usually technology orientated... With technology people want the best and are generally not bothered about the price (tellys, fridges, george forman grills). I wish I could say the same about our industry. We are one of the select few (along with mechanics) where every punter knows everything and can get some other punter to do it for peanuts. They have tellys and laptops that cost more than thier alarm system, only last for 5 years then go and buy a new one! They begrudge you like your trying to sell them snake oil when you tell them thier 20 year old optima is goosed!
Avotronics Posted January 31, 2012 Author Posted January 31, 2012 The tech are different OP. Yes the waek link is still the keyholder. But you tend to have more than one of them so even if your mobile is down, your land line wont be or your other keyholders etc. But if it fails to send then no keyholder will be informed. While most dualpath systems use the mobile network as either their primary or secondary path they dont use sms technology. Also they use a redundant reception system which landline TAP based sms does not. I can go into detail if you wish if you dont beleive me. James I believe you, not doubting anything you guys are telling me. So are those systems subscription based services? With technology people want the best and are generally not bothered about the price (tellys, fridges, george forman grills). I wish I could say the same about our industry. We are one of the select few (along with mechanics) where every punter knows everything and can get some other punter to do it for peanuts. They have tellys and laptops that cost more than thier alarm system, only last for 5 years then go and buy a new one! They begrudge you like your trying to sell them snake oil when you tell them thier 20 year old optima is goosed! I can see your point. Perhaps that is because, for most people, security is at the back of their minds? Excluding perhaps people who live in rough areas, but then they probably can't afford alarm system anyway, or people who have suffered at the hands of scum bags previously, but for people who have never had any problems they maybe think all alarms systems are the same.... they go beep beep when someone breaks in and that's it? I don't see the point on scrimping when you're trying to protect ones property, valuable or otherwise. If I wasn't technically minded I'd have someone install one for me, though I've installed numerous cctv systems in the past and work in a tech industry so I don't see why I should. Of course, there are things that only experienced installers will know, things I should and shouldn't do, but I don't mind learning even if it's for a one off install. From an outsiders point of view I see it as a good industry to work in, maybe not so much now but the way the world is going I would be surprised if the demand doesn't grow significantly over the next 10-20 years.
Scotmod Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 I'd say about 95% of the domestics and 50% of commercials just think that an alarm is an alarm. The problem with alarm systems is the only visual improvement in the last 10 years is down to those bloody pyronix bell boxes. It's not like a telly where you can go "This is HD 1080p, this is your 20 year old telly"
james.wilson Posted January 31, 2012 Posted January 31, 2012 they maybe think all alarms systems are the same.... they go beep beep when someone breaks in and that's it? a lot think that, like all cars are the same, computers, houses etc etc I don't see the point on scrimping when you're trying to protect ones property, valuable or otherwise.If I wasn't technically minded I'd have someone install one for me, though I've installed numerous cctv systems in the past and work in a tech industry so I don't see why I should. Id agree but as with most things a decent pro system will outperform an amateur system. Just like you thinking all comms systems are similar if you see what i mean. Oh and yes the reliable systems are subscription based. I know people like to use free stuff but i wouldnt trust anything to it least of all my security. I think there has been a a fair few improvments over the years and i wouldnt include that bell in my list securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
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