norman Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 when it's cable chucking time we just unscrew rescrew and lid. Still struggle to see why that would be particle free? Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
MrHappy Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Still struggle to see why that would be particle free? no release to the air cause the mongs put the screws in the mouth to hold 'em it whilst they get the clip on? Mr Veritas God
Scotmod Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 Still struggle to see why that would be particle free? There is no such thing as particle free. How can there be? This wasn't our idea, this is how it was planned by the council, their asbestos service, an external asbestos consultant, in house health and safety and the HSE. If its ticked all those boxes and appeased that many parties then I am quite happy to do it and sleep happily at night after doing so. As we all know asbestos is a pain when you disturb it, if the surface has already been treated, cavity made, and plugged there should be no particle deposits and if there are they are so minute that they are not worth considering. You lot might struggle to see it but I'd be interested to know how it gets done on your installs without a false ceiling getting put in or the whole lot getting ripped out? If there is anyone carrying out there that is more paranoid about H&S than the HSE it would be a council and I see no need to with them as they do it for a living. Just a bit of insight for people that haven't been through this pain in the **** process.
norman Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 I once inadvertently drilled one 5.5mm hole in some asbestos in a stately hall cinema ceiling (back room not well lit) about 15 years ago, I reported it once I realised what I had done and all hell broke loose (in a nice way) they closed off that part of the job for ages and got in a specialist contractor to make good, took weeks iirc. #justsaying Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
Lwillis Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 I remember doing a fire install a few years ago everything was asbestos appart from the concrete v shaped supports for the roof ended up having unistrut with welded brackets and drilling an plugging into the concrete - nightmare of a job . I wouldn't want to or ask anyone to even drill or screw into the stuff . It's just not worth it , as others have said I don't think the sticky back of the yt2 would be enough to contain the fibres . Pitty you hadn't costed for a wireless system
Scotmod Posted July 31, 2012 Posted July 31, 2012 I once inadvertently drilled one 5.5mm hole in some asbestos in a stately hall cinema ceiling (back room not well lit) about 15 years ago, I reported it once I realised what I had done and all hell broke loose (in a nice way) they closed off that part of the job for ages and got in a specialist contractor to make good, took weeks iirc. #justsaying Oh don't get me wrong I've seen and been around when this is happened. One of the asbestos subbies the council had used promised the earth for a paupers sum and when two joiners turned up with a 240v sds and a Henry and started drilling (in a care home may I add) I downed tools and hit the mobile. Turns out the poor joiners were subbies of a subby(love it when that happens) and were told some porkies. Needless to say they got dumped and fined. I'm sure the HSE turned up that day quicker than batman could have. My point is if your surface is sealed, hole is drilled, cavity is vacuumed and then plugged 99% of the dust and particles have been removed. The remaining is negligible if you happen to dislodge it with your screw. Bar ripping it all out(never happens) or the installation of a new false roof this is the safest and economically viable way of doing it. Asbestos will be around for donkeys years to come. Just watch though. Glass wool will go the same way and well need another lot to rip that out before you can put your suitcases up your lofts. I remember doing a fire install a few years ago everything was asbestos appart from the concrete v shaped supports for the roof ended up having unistrut with welded brackets and drilling an plugging into the concrete - nightmare of a job . I wouldn't want to or ask anyone to even drill or screw into the stuff . It's just not worth it , as others have said I don't think the sticky back of the yt2 would be enough to contain the fibres . Pitty you hadn't costed for a wireless system Sometimes wireless isn't an option and depending on who you're using you'll have to cable half the lot anyway.
james.wilson Posted August 1, 2012 Posted August 1, 2012 cant add anything but liked the # norm securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
Driller Posted August 1, 2012 Posted August 1, 2012 Just bought an old doctors surgery to do up as a new practice, got the keys and thought I'd have at poke at a wall which needed a door put through with the keys to see if it was supporting or not. Found this under some cork tiles and had a good scrape Then I scrunched some up to show what the powder was like: And then the builder came along and said "careful, that's asbestos" It looked like this after after his blokes got it all off: Someone said it looked like christotile which apparently (hopefully) is not too nasty due to having straight fibres not curly ones.
PeterJames Posted August 1, 2012 Posted August 1, 2012 If that is asbestos you are in trouble. As it is in its worse state friable. Once the word was mentioned you should of A. stopped all work B. Employed a specialist contractor to investigate it. I the dust will be in the air for some time, be careful who you let enter this site because you could be held responsible for any damage caused http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/guidance/em1.pdf
norman Posted August 1, 2012 Posted August 1, 2012 cant add anything but liked the # norm downwiththekids.com Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
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