Cubit Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 From the above quote, as I have one persons replies on ignore.It seems a couple now want to fine customers and withhold URN`s. What would our SELF REGULATING bodies think of this? A new certificate issued , as in more revenue? For one in place already? Oh dear, more charges to the end user, and be hanged if you do not pay. Is this becoming a sub field within SSAIB and or NSI? Is the OP a member of either ? I think a lot of bull is now being exposed as the above goes, to include the parking issues (Which although assured are finished with, still linger in certain mentions in our House of Politicians. ). Perhaps the use of the word 'fine' was a freudian slip? Now, unless someone has suddenly got statute law on their side, become a magistrate or a judge, to 'fine' someone will land that person on the naughty step.
Cubit Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Sorry to butt in here,This is an interesting read, However I dont have a clue on car park rules for private clamping etc. Having looked at the ASDA sign posted above, This has apparently a few errors on it, ? Would someone please kindly point this out to me, As I had a charge about 15 months ago at Tesco Some idiot before me had parked about a foot over the lane markers, So I just followed suit as others did. When I returned to my van, I got a fixed penalty charge for it, Reason was for obstructing a parking space. No matter what I tried, I was forced to pay the charge, They would not listen to a word I had to say Would appreciate it if someone could clear the "obvious" issues with the sign. Regards, Well, for starters, The company does not exist. Breach of planning regulations Contravenes Equalities Act 2010 They do you?
james.wilson Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Re fining etc. We try to control our subs. What we do is advise they suspend the urn. If they dont and continue, we up the reset fee. This is in our contract securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount.
Cubit Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 Re fining etc. We try to control our subs. What we do is advise they suspend the urn. If they dont and continue, we up the reset fee. This is in our contract re fining... Not you as well?
matthew.brough Posted December 30, 2012 Author Posted December 30, 2012 Re fining etc. We try to control our subs. What we do is advise they suspend the urn. If they dont and continue, we up the reset fee. This is in our contract Do they usually take you up on the offer of help or continue and yell when they get their 3 strikes? www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/
jb-eye Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 re fining...Not you as well? Cubit you got have me struggling with the two. The parking sign is a contract which I would hazard is enforceable by the fact you actually park thus agree. It doesn't say "fine" and only Matt used that term and retracted. We charge as do others for our inconvenience, Now please tell where we are falling foul?Re fining etc.We try to control our subs. What we do is advise they suspend the urn. If they dont and continue, we up the reset fee. This is in our contract James why wouldn't you consider our route. if you have EF place you sub on key holder only and let them make the call to Police or not. Customers!
matthew.brough Posted December 30, 2012 Author Posted December 30, 2012 Cubit you got have me struggling with the two. The parking sign is a contract which I would hazard is enforceable by the fact you actually park thus agree. It doesn't say "fine" and only Matt used that term and retracted. We charge as do others for our inconvenience, Now please tell where we are falling foul? What their point is, is that there are 2 sets of parking rules. Public land that has robust sets of rules that can be enforced in the courts and private land that sadly doesn't. His point really is that because there isn't a strong set of laws to backup the parking operators that he can break as many parking rules as he wants and there's not a thing anyone can do about it which is really correct. It's the same argument that if there wasn't an enforceable law for committing burglary then it would be ok to rob people as there's no law to punish people for doing so. My personal view is if I park on someone's land, they have the right to determine its use and I abide by that irrespective of public / private land. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/
jb-eye Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 What their point is, is that there are 2 sets of parking rules. Public land that has robust sets of rules that can be enforced in the courts and private land that sadly doesn't. His point really is that because there isn't a strong set of laws to backup the parking operators that he can break as many parking rules as he wants and there's not a thing anyone can do about it which is really correct. It's the same argument that if there wasn't an enforceable law for committing burglary then it would be ok to rob people as there's no law to punish people for doing so.A contract can be argued in a civil case and I would have thought this was the case for the Asda parking, am I wrong. In any event I prefer order.In our business we use the term " contract by intent" Customers!
matthew.brough Posted December 30, 2012 Author Posted December 30, 2012 Well for the morning then 5 ½ years isn`t 15 in my book. 10,000 manuals in 5 yrs on the tools, wow.As for physique, I doub`t that is a hinderance for installation or a few of us here would never have installed anything. And I have seen you and you`re not that big. I know 6 ft 10 " engineers fitting. No doubt there are bigger. Although I think height isnt your issue But I jest, it is xmas afterall. ANPR is not the way forward for parking for reasons YOU well know and as pointed at.Example a disabled persons badge is not tied to the car, but of course you know that ..................................But you seem to be trying to use the same ethics as you did in a previous incarnation within this industry.Why does the fact I only spent 5 1/2 years on the tools and the rest of the time supporting engineers, building an arc, implementing networks, r&d of our own products make me a less value engineer? If I'd have spent 15 years on the tools, I wouldn't know 10% of what I do today.A contract can be argued in a civil case and I would have thought this was the case for the Asda parking, am I wrong. In any event I prefer order.In our business we use the term " contract by intent"The problem is you have to rely on small claims which is cost prohibitive and some judges award a judgement, often they don't. When a parking company gets a judgement they chirp about it as a victory and so does the motorist when they win a case. What needs to happen is for parking to be regulated in the same way irrespective of who's land it is and people who park wrong get a ticket which if you don't pay gets escalated to a bailiff.The current situation leads on private land to the motorist in the know sticking 2 fingers up at the landowner and the parking company. I was in macdonalds the other day and there are 4 disabled bays and I watched over 20 minutes numerous people abuse them and with no enforcement that has teeth, people will continue to do it. I'm sure it's the same in the supermarkets. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/
Ronnie Posted December 30, 2012 Posted December 30, 2012 morning matt, you ready for round 2?? think you're getting a bit of a hard time here (unjustified imo).
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