Eyes On Envisalink 3 Ip Security Interface

[matthew.brough]

I find it somewhat strange that you wouldent install a dualcom but you would give a thumbs up to a system youve not looked at. Not a dig at you matt i just cant see the logic and hope your wrong cus i hate the jeremy kyle show so dont want to end up enemployed!

I feel the same. I'm only 31 and genuinely ask how far does computer automation go and how does it effect my job prospects? ARCs will be the next thing. The minute passing calls to the emergency services can be done via an electronic link (the function is already in MAS to do this) which is already in testing with certain police forces how long you giving it before all alarms are auto dispatched by VRT. An ARCs biggest bill is the staff. Appreciated CCTV a bit different but intruder/fire monitoring would be perfect for it.

[Oxo]

 

fire will never rri,too much risk..

 

Well I have worked in some pretty expensive places with millions of pounds of art and other stuff. Just IAS, thats a pretty high risk to not be sure it all works. As a RRI WILL NOT test everything.

I note one has said they dont believe all test.

Well there are always bad apples.

I sign a docket saying its all working, ITS ALL WORKING.

And that gives the end user more trust than a dial in at 1 am.

 

I think one here said its like the printout is like printing £50 notes.......................it might be.

But its not 100%

[james.wilson]

With respect james your areas of work and mine are v different and i can tell you we wouldent keep our customers if we used this option. The personal touch and face behind the voice still counts for a lot

I like that 'with respect' meaning none lol

I do agree with you, ie the face to face bit. People do want it. However banking, buying stuff etc etc has shown that most care more about the bill than actually seeing someone. If its free then fine but ultimatly its a huge cost that can be saved. Unless your in a very niche sector im not sure you will be immune. 

 

 

how so James, you know something we dont?

 

Oh the material there lol

But no its just an obvious position. As tech improves then its possible for it to look after itself more. Then as ADT have shown with Grade 1T (service every 2 years) there is a demand for a lower cost contract. Easiest way to lower the cost, get rid of some service engineers and push the interval even longer. We already have this at 12 months how long can it go. Depends on the market, the insurers and acpo. 

 

Are service visits being eliminated in some forthcoming regulations?

No.

fire will never rri,too much risk..

I dont agree. It will IMO and i dont think it will be long.

[matthew.brough]

fire will never rri,too much risk..

I think the word never is probably optimistic. The first start will be like intruder, certain visits rri, certain onsite. There have been many examples where people thought a robot wouldn't take over, but the robots financial benefit made it happen.

I find it hard to believe fire panel manufactures would be going to the cost of developing rri's if there wasn't going to be a change in allowing its use. What would be the point?

I totally agree though goncall, I would much prefer someone in site and would pay a premium for it but equally as with anything in this world some people buy on price and some buy on value.

[goncall]

the insurance co's will decide,auto dispatch of fire signals,a risky one if it fails..

[sjsturner]

I like that 'with respect' meaning none lol

I do agree with you, ie the face to face bit. People do want it. However banking, buying stuff etc etc has shown that most care more about the bill than actually seeing someone. If its free then fine but ultimatly its a huge cost that can be saved. Unless your in a very niche sector im not sure you will be immune.

Oh the material there lol

But no its just an obvious position. As tech improves then its possible for it to look after itself more. Then as ADT have shown with Grade 1T (service every 2 years) there is a demand for a lower cost contract. Easiest way to lower the cost, get rid of some service engineers and push the interval even longer. We already have this at 12 months how long can it go. Depends on the market, the insurers and acpo.

No.

I dont agree. It will IMO and i dont think it will be long.

I did mean the respect thing i understand what your saying just that it wouldent wash in this area thats all. And if im saying somethings ok i have to believe it and i couldent personally do that with rri

[matthew.brough]

Just to be clear, I'm not pro RRI. I just think its inevitable for cost it will all go that way. If getting the best, not having a cost effective solution was what the market wanted we'd all be using grade 4 dual path signalling. Sadly the use of so many digis and g2/g3 single path devices shows the market doesn't always want a rolls Royce.

the insurance co's will decide,auto dispatch of fire signals,a risky one if it fails..

I can only speak for MAS, but it needs to see a ack from them and a reference number for the call (same as with the police the log number) otherwise pops for human intervention. Don't know about others but would think the same because as you say it's important. Saying that though, with so many fire brigades not even going to afas maybe the issue isn't as relevant as police. At least they still take the calls from us 24/7.

[sjsturner]

Very true in regard the rolls royce comment

[matthew.brough]

Well I have worked in some pretty expensive places with millions of pounds of art and other stuff. Just IAS, thats a pretty high risk to not be sure it all works. As a RRI WILL NOT test everything.

I note one has said they dont believe all test.

Well there are always bad apples.

I sign a docket saying its all working, ITS ALL WORKING.

And that gives the end user more trust than a dial in at 1 am.

 

I think one here said its like the printout is like printing £50 notes.......................it might be.

But its not 100%

Totally agree and I wouldn't sign for something I hadn't done. But that's us, and is us a reflection of the industry? Sadly I think we are the lone rangers. How many compliance certs are issue when the systems don't actually comply. That's equally as bad. I'd like to the most people on here wouldn't either. The whole reasons we spend so much of our lives is we do care about he customers and the industry and the standard of work we do. Question is how many engineers are on tsi v the amount of engineers that work in the industry?

[goncall]

I like that 'with respect' meaning none lol

I do agree with you, ie the face to face bit. People do want it. However banking, buying stuff etc etc has shown that most care more about the bill than actually seeing someone. If its free then fine but ultimatly its a huge cost that can be saved. Unless your in a very niche sector im not sure you will be immune. 

 

 

 

Oh the material there lol

But no its just an obvious position. As tech improves then its possible for it to look after itself more. Then as ADT have shown with Grade 1T (service every 2 years) there is a demand for a lower cost contract. Easiest way to lower the cost, get rid of some service engineers and push the interval even longer. We already have this at 12 months how long can it go. Depends on the market, the insurers and acpo. 

 

No.

I dont agree. It will IMO and i dont think it will be long.

i disagree on your dont agree,it wont happen,lets face intruder fto,co's insurance pays out,fire fto,someones in jail,the alarm co's and insurance co's wont risk it..