Oxo Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 see ox thats where me and you differ,i wouldnt put up with that sort of threat for bringing up h&s issues or any other issues really,id be really suprised if the co you worked for acted like that tbh, Now now I never said there were threats. I said try getting a small company to adhere to your utopia. From your views and experience you have never managed a company. So have little understanding about how they are run, and what time constraints you have to work to at times. An engineer with your attitude would not last long in any company I have worked for OR managed. As you say profit comes first, if not why else are you employed? No profit = no wages. No wages = no job. Sooner or later you will have to wake up and smell the coffee.
goncall Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 You being the customer champion I thought you'd be of the view engineer must do anything to keep customer happy. Eg be there. On the dole you can have as much rest time as you want. No risk of any tiredness then. im glad this is public matt,so one of your engineers has been on call,doesnt even have to be busy,couple of call thru the night,disturbed sleep(as good as no sleep) you have him booked on a call first thing,he tells you he feels too tired to go....do you force him to go ? do you threaten him with his job if he doesnt go? whats the answer Now now I never said there were threats. I said try getting a small company to adhere to your utopia. From your views and experience you have never managed a company. So have little understanding about how they are run, and what time constraints you have to work to at times. An engineer with your attitude would not last long in any company I have worked for OR managed. As you say profit comes first, if not why else are you employed? No profit = no wages. No wages = no job. Sooner or later you will have to wake up and smell the coffee. on the other hand tho ox a manager with your attitude would be gone way before any engineer...
Oxo Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Did you not sign the contract with the part that states you are willing to work outside the working week maximum? That little thing that is a binding agreement?
goncall Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Did you not sign the contract with the part that states you are willing to work outside the working week maximum? That little thing that is a binding agreement? i did,but thats got nothing to do with working while tired
Oxo Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 on the other hand tho ox a manager with your attitude would be gone way before any engineer... Really? Seen me at work have you? Again your showing just how little you actually know. In many aspects actually. i did,but thats got nothing to do with working while tired What do you class as tired? I bet you use this "rule" of yours to have the odd sneaky lie in. A rather apt use of the word I think. Lie, Of course in the past you have had a lye in.
goncall Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Really? Seen me at work have you? Again your showing just how little you actually know. In many aspects actually. What do you class as tired? I bet you use this "rule" of yours to have the odd sneaky lie in. A rather apt use of the word I think. Lie, Of course in the past you have had a lye in. lie,where do i lie ox,there not many billy bull shitters on here as good as you my friend..getting back to rest time i have at times took more than the rest time im entitled too on the basis that i still felt too tired,a rather senisble approach in my book,and yes i still got paid by the co who would rather that happen than i come in and be a danger and at times when ive been out all night im told not to come in at all and still get paid..it makes sence ox and you know it..
Lwillis Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 It might work for big companies but not for the little guys, it would be quite easy to get another engineer to do your jobs when there's lots of them. Not so easy if there's only 2 engineers
bee_man Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Not wishing to get squashed in the middle of a discussion, but did anyone see that Mythbusters episode where they tested the premise that driving whilst tired was even more dangerous than driving whilst over the (presumably USA) legal alcohol limit ?. It was Confirmed. And then some. bee
goncall Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 It might work for big companies but not for the little guys, it would be quite easy to get another engineer to do your jobs when there's lots of them. Not so easy if there's only 2 engineers not the point man,if its dangerous for one its dangerous for the next regardless,ill bet a pound of shittte not one manager or md will post they force their employess to do it,while doing the exact same...
Lwillis Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 I'm not saying they would force you and if you were sacked for it I'd be taking it to court as unfair dismissal. It's all fair and well working for a national and taking time off and being paid for it, but it doesn't happen that way in the real world. BEE- yeah I think I did see it but myth busters also forged a lot of their experiments ( apparently)
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