Scotmod Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 Absolute joke! We had 24 houses in a street that needed bells installed but scaffold has gone. Job done with ladders and no complaint. This country is just brutal with h&s tbh. I hadn't though of that as we don't fit external sirens. That would be funny for a res. how much for an external bell. £400. Why, because we need to get the scaffold tower down here. Suppose it would be a good excuse not to go out to a faulty bell screaming its head off. Sorry pal, hss don't do 3am deliveries. I could bash the pair of your heads together right now if I could. Part of the reason H&S is being held back in this country is due to that kind of statement. If you carry out your risk assessment, follow the safe working practice for ladders then you're fine and you use it. Is there a safer way to do the work? (yes - use a scaffold) then you ask yourself is it reasonably practical (No, the cost inhibits the short duration of the work) then you use a ladder. Like we mentioned the last time in the ladders thread. Ladders are perfect for short duration work of under half an hour and are safe given weather conditions, footing and setup angle. Hence why we still use the buggers.
Alarm Protection Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 We installed everything but the bells. The engineer reported back no scaffold so I said leave it with a few days to go..... Most contractors off site and it was just get the job done.... It made our life easier aswell tbh. All houses done and signed of. !
Cubit Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 Sorry guys, just don't get how using a contraption that looks like an octopus on steroids does a better job than my little steps for fitting rios and pirs. I get it for reasonable height or fire heads etc but not a h unable detector. Puzzled as to why you are surprised by all this. You should have all this documented.. It's not unual for the Contractor or Customer to insist at least one member of your team on site holds the site supervisors ticket.
sjsturner Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 What about the near misses, All near misses are supposed to be reported to allow changes to be made, so it doesn't happen again ?? You just know there are hundreds, probably thousands that go unreported Yep thats right. Ive only seen two accidents on site in the last 7 odd years, one was stanley knife in the hand, and other was someone on top of a pallet whilst it was being wheeled, he lost balance fell and on his way down grabbed cable tray which folded in and pinched and cut some flesh out of his hands, looked real sore!! I had to replace the tray and there was still parts of his hand on it!!
Scotmod Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 We installed everything but the bells. The engineer reported back no scaffold so I said leave it with a few days to go..... Most contractors off site and it was just get the job done.... It made our life easier aswell tbh. All houses done and signed of. And if someone questioned you as to why you would show them your risk assessment for using the ladders and you know what your talking about. It is in a sense all about covering your ****. At the end of the day if someones going to do it, they will. Just by writing it down it shows that you've thought about it, understood that there is a chance that something might happen and then said "Nah, I know what i'm doing. I can do this right and safe"
matthew.brough Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 Puzzled as to why you are surprised by all this. You should have all this documented.. It's not unual for the Contractor or Customer to insist at least one member of your team on site holds the site supervisors ticket. We have a ton of documents and the engineers have tickets for this and that. The h&s bloke does all sorts of assessments and other stuff but I must confess cubit I know very little about it. I've been happy to let others do all that stuff and just pick up the whopping bill at the end of it. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/
arfur mo Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 horrific consequences, i .hope they make a good recovery. as for that scaffolding tower it did look well past its sell by date and an accident just waiting to happen. If you think education is difficult, try being stupid!!!!
PSE Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 Its all about covering your @rse these days, Making sure you have taken all steps as reasonably practical to protect everyone associated. Do the RA & MS, Go over it with the guys before hand, Get them to sign it and also have a copy with them whilst on site to refer to. That's my way of doing it horrific consequences, i .hope they make a good recovery. Did you not see them, They were hit by god knows HV lines. Some of them burst into flames. Unfortunately my friend, I doubt they recovered from that unfortunate event
Scotmod Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 horrific consequences, i .hope they make a good recovery. as for that scaffolding tower it did look well past its sell by date and an accident just waiting to happen. The accident happened in 2011. Both returned to work at the tail end of last year for about 2 weeks each. One is signed off with post traumatic stress and the other can only work for short periods of time (under 1 hour) before the nerves in his hands give out and render him good for feck all as an installer. Both have nasty scars but are lucky to be alive. It did Arf, and probably was. But their laziness killed them. Why not take it down? Why not walk the area first and say "high voltage lines, pallets in the way, maybe better take it down?" Any scaffold is only as good as the man who puts it up. I'd trust the bamboo scaffold they put up more than the numpty painter who doesn't give a monkeys.
norman Posted June 4, 2013 Posted June 4, 2013 I could bash the pair of your heads together right now if I could. Part of the reason H&S is being held back in this country is due to that kind of statement. If you carry out your risk assessment, follow the safe working practice for ladders then you're fine and you use it. Is there a safer way to do the work? (yes - use a scaffold) then you ask yourself is it reasonably practical (No, the cost inhibits the short duration of the work) then you use a ladder. Like we mentioned the last time in the ladders thread. Ladders are perfect for short duration work of under half an hour and are safe given weather conditions, footing and setup angle. Hence why we still use the buggers. Reading your terms I'm guessing NEBOSH? Just to add, I agree. Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
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