Tc/ip Door Access (Paxton)

[mcelec]

Personally if you are using the customers network as supplied by the data co then its down to them to patch and route all of the door controllers, if you are or your client have run your 'own' network for the access control then yes you will have to switch and route yourself but from what you said in your original post your on the customers network.

From what I gather they have just fitted the controllers and plugged them in to data points wired by others.

 

When you say computer. Is this a going to be a standalone network or part of the corporate network, also, is interweb connectivity required?

Pedders beat me to it.

 

If standalone, you can avoid the Router and use fixed IP.

It will be standalone, whatever is the easiest solution to make it work, if this is the case I just need a 24 port POE switch?

 

 

above is correct, no POE switch is needed for this.

Paxton offer a free 1 day training course, which is well worth it. tbh i'd get one of your guys to go do it. Paxton also offer support over the phone, so your best option really is to contact them direct over your concerns for clear advice.

TBH nothing is really that difficult with exception of planning out all the clients needs, groups of user and initial setting up the computer, the basic software is free, but the fancier one gets expensive

just don't panic, and you can download plenty of info from their site.

afaik you won't need a router, switches or hubs, while they use network cable for interconnection, the controllers are addressable (so think of it as like addressable fire alarms), if powering locks your best advised to use separate AC/DC power supplies, and not the controllers supplies to reduce any spiking or Rfi noise from causing glitches.

 

The controllers are NET 2+ TCP/IP the paxton guides say POE is required, I have done paxton Net 2 before and just learn them on using the ACU codes, however the NET 2+ are TCP/IP so a different beast all together 

[Pedders]

They do, do a POE version but, i'm guessing that the sparky co have installed mains to each location, if you can find that info out then thats half the battle, and as Arf said 'just dont panic'

[arfur mo]

From what I gather they have just fitted the controllers and plugged them in to data points wired by others.

 

It will be standalone, whatever is the easiest solution to make it work, if this is the case I just need a 24 port POE switch?

 

 

 

The controllers are NET 2+ TCP/IP the paxton guides say POE is required, I have done paxton Net 2 before and just learn them on using the ACU codes, however the NET 2+ are TCP/IP so a different beast all together

then i stand corrected - been better to call it Net 3, my bad i missed the + bit tbh. had thought they were using POE only on their door entry kit, i din't think they will actually supply them though.

[Cubit]

above is correct, no POE switch is needed for this.

Paxton offer a free 1 day training course, which is well worth it. tbh i'd get one of your guys to go do it. Paxton also offer support over the phone, so your best option really is to contact them direct over your concerns for clear advice.

TBH nothing is really that difficult with exception of planning out all the clients needs, groups of user and initial setting up the computer, the basic software is free, but the fancier one gets expensive

just don't panic, and you can download plenty of info from their site.

afaik you won't need a router, switches or hubs, while they use network cable for interconnection, the controllers are addressable (so think of it as like addressable fire alarms), if powering locks your best advised to use separate AC/DC power supplies, and not the controllers supplies to reduce any spiking or Rfi noise from causing glitches.

Errrr.

Based on the OP and information gleaned i'd say a PoE switch is required - if only to power the Net2 units as it seems they may well be the PoE variant.

[arfur mo]

just mention to o/p, make sure all ports are POE, many say they are POE but not say it is not on all ports, seems usually only half are.

[Cubit]

just mention to o/p, make sure all ports are POE, many say they are POE but not say it is not on all ports, seems usually only half are.

Hence my comment about the cost. A decent one is circa £200 for 195 watts. And hence the question of how they are running the locks. 20 maglocks? over PoE is gonna need more than  a standard switch.

[arfur mo]

Errrr.

Based on the OP and information gleaned i'd say a PoE switch is required - if only to power the Net2 units as it seems they may well be the PoE variant.

i was going by the kit on a recent job, i was not actually involved with it but needed info regarding interfacing the alarm. each controller was in a metal box and had its own PSU, that being the case i can't see why would POE be needed? but then it might not be the net2+ kit.

you would know why better than me why, but seems PoE is a strange way to go fir access control, makes for very expensive add on's imho.

Hence my comment about the cost. A decent one is circa £200 for 195 watts. And hence the question of how they are running the locks. 20 maglocks? over PoE is gonna need more than  a standard switch.

and 4 core 10 amp FP200 lol!

no, must be additional supplies - must?

[sixwheeledbeast]

Paxton do 4 by 2A POE PSU's.

IIRC there called extension switches, basically a 5 port POE switch.

 

It depends on the layout of the installation to what's best.

 

You can use Net2+ units and power them from a local power supply AFAIK.

[Cubit]

i was going by the kit on a recent job, i was not actually involved with it but needed info regarding interfacing the alarm. each controller was in a metal box and had its own PSU, that being the case i can't see why would POE be needed? but then it might not be the net2+ kit.

you would know why better than me why, but seems PoE is a strange way to go fir access control, makes for very expensive add on's imho.

Can make it cheaper. BUT, devil is in the detail. Unfortunately for OP he's coming to the install after everyone has done their bit, without it seems, communicating to each other or having a plan.

 

If PoE is only needed for the Controllers, then c£200 for a fully PoE 24 port managed switch will cover it - no need to worry about the managed switch, aart from perhaps changing it's default IP address.

On the other hand, if no thought to power has been given, and i haven't read anything indicating such, then there may be a much bigger cost to be paid.

[Pedders]

As mentioned in post 12, check that mains has been installed at each door location, if it has then that rules out the need for a net2 poe ACU, if there is then  the units are Net2+ then patch the network port from the ACU to the supplied point by the data co, program and enjoy!