lifeventure Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Good Evening all, First my back ground, i am an ex royal engineer with a trade in bricklaying, and construction techniques, i now currently work abroad as a Risk Manager in security. After years of working away i have decided to return home and look for a new career. I have searched high and low and for the life of me i can find no jobs, careers, that interest me, that is of course except securit, fire, alarm installations etc, ohh and para medicine. I would like to ask your advice as the course i have looked in to is run by Cablecom training and is a package of 15 weeks, after which i would need to complete my Part P electrical cert and maybe other pieces also. Is this a worth while course for a complete novice entering the market and seeking employment? also i would like to ask your opinions on both remuneration as a new installer, working hours etc, as i have a family to feed and cant afford to have my trousers pulled down as i am sure you can understand. Any further help you could provide me would be of great help, i would be doing this training through forces resettlement and my own cash so if any one has experience of this i would like to hear from you also. Gents i thank you in advance Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 also i would like to ask your opinions on both remuneration as a new installer, working hours etc, as i have a family to feed and cant afford to have my trousers pulled down as i am sure you can understand. Not so straight forward question to answer. Wages range £16k - £35k for card is, decent engineers plus a van/car etc. Most firms will expect you to do call out which depending on the size of the firm you might not get any more £ for. The nationals tended to be quite good for pay and conditions but a lot of the big firms have got much smaller in headcount so recruitment into those nice companies isn't as easy as it once was. www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Hi I'm a Paramedic that runs a security company. Talk to me So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Hi I'm a Paramedic that runs a security company. Talk to me That because the prices you charge they need the services of both when they see the invoice? www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeventure Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Hahahahahaha gents, good to see some humour. Firstly thanks for replying, I'm at a crossroads really, as said I have narrowed what I would like to do down to either paramedic through a company called ORMS which would be roughly 2 years, or the security installation etc etc. A bit like chalk and cheese really, I just had some feed back from cable com and sadly they will not do the 15 week course through resettlement grants only through apprenticeships schemes, only data comm's for resettlement . Which as I see it restricts you to a certain employable area? Data diffusion, if you don't mind me asking are you a NHS paramedic and if so why did you retrade to this area!, or are you pulling my leg lol Mathew thanks for the details, appreciated. If for example I dug in to my own pockets and did the apprenticeship, how do you think employers would see it, by this I mean is the installation sector of security flooded with qualifications or not, and is an NVQ 3 worth any thing within the security installers trade for employability? Gents I am sorry if the questions seem dumb but I don't want to jump without knowing where I will land. Thanks lads Regards L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew.brough Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 No he is a paramedic Sadly qualifications will not do much for you in our world. The vast majority of the industry is unqualified. I have mine but did them 6 years after being employed full time doing the job as the industry was threatening to make qualifications mandatory but it never happened sadly www.securitywarehouse.co.uk/catalog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Hahahahahaha gents, good to see some humour. Firstly thanks for replying, I'm at a crossroads really, as said I have narrowed what I would like to do down to either paramedic through a company called ORMS which would be roughly 2 years, or the security installation etc etc. A bit like chalk and cheese really, I just had some feed back from cable com and sadly they will not do the 15 week course through resettlement grants only through apprenticeships schemes, only data comm's for resettlement . Which as I see it restricts you to a certain employable area? Data diffusion, if you don't mind me asking are you a NHS paramedic and if so why did you retrade to this area!, or are you pulling my leg lol Mathew thanks for the details, appreciated. If for example I dug in to my own pockets and did the apprenticeship, how do you think employers would see it, by this I mean is the installation sector of security flooded with qualifications or not, and is an NVQ 3 worth any thing within the security installers trade for employability? Gents I am sorry if the questions seem dumb but I don't want to jump without knowing where I will land. Thanks lads Regards L Hi, I’m ex R Signals and I wasted my resettlement so my advice would be make sure you don't waste yours. Personally, I would employ someone on their experience and personality. Training & quals do not hold the same value as they do in the army. If you get the interviews, play on the ex-soldier thing, an ex-soldier would be favoured over a civvie because they're generally all clueless (some of the present company excepted). If you’re a smart cookie, you didn’t make R Signals so can’t be that smart and can get a break, you’ll pick this stuff up easily and will excel in no time. Your other skills will ensure you stand out from the rest of the chaff and you’ll be fine. It’s just getting the break that’s hard. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifeventure Posted January 31, 2014 Author Share Posted January 31, 2014 Gents, Good to hear personal experiences from all so thanks. RFS for the forces perspective mate, always good to hear from those whom have gone through the same routes, albeit my own was getting thrown out of a perfectly good aircraft which is my excuse for not being a sigs man lol. Funny how blokes take the piss out of the sigs lads, then they get handed a radio and get asked to turn it on the bloody excuses start to role out then. I suppose I best start asking around and seeing if I can get some interviews etc, offer the qualifications to a possible employer as a free incentive or some thing? Mathew for clearing that up, I have to ask though what made a paramedic change careers after so many years of training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
datadiffusion Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 Its was 'only' 2 years at uni, and I (since) have a minor heart problem so just do 2-3 NHS shifts a month to see the old gang, keep up my registration, and went back to my old job of security installer the rest of the time. Be warned the NHS is very rigid re pay and Paramedics are under banded being stuck at Band 5, you'll never be rich, unless you really are into it but even Air Ops is still only Band 6. There may be a HART team near you which might appeal to any ex mil but be warned, its Home Office funded and there are some people on easy street in for a serious shock when it all gets the plug pulled, which it will one day. Round here its non stop, job to job to job, no breaks, very stressful and management skills that make David Brent look like Alan Sugar. So, I've decided to take my work back underground.... to stop it falling into the wrong hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9651 Posted January 31, 2014 Share Posted January 31, 2014 We had an ex forces guy. Nice fella, went on his own in the end. Did his alarm NVQ training as part of his redeployment. Loved saying he was the most qualified of us in alarms (we are all 16/17th edition sparks) yet knew nothing in real world. Things like drilling and plugging wood. Those kind of things. In fact he was/is a member on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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