Is UL listed important to you?

[Arron]

Seems in many area, UL is mandatory. As a manufacture, UL is super expensive. I think it's a high barrier for small brands to compete in North American market. 

 

Will you use any access control product that is without UL, if you know its performance is proven?

[petrolhead]

It has no bearing on the uk market at all, although its not that hard to get a product through, at least it wasn't in 2004 when i was involved in getting telecoms, epos and gaming psus ul approved for export to the us working for a very small manufacturer, send the product off, either make any changes they request or  the toss, to which they will change their decision if you present a valid argument to them. I can see how it would be difficult to get the majority of the dangerous chinese ***** flooding the market these days by them though, but that doesn't stop them putting ul on the label anyway.

[Arron]

22 hours ago, petrolhead said:

It has no bearing on the uk market at all, although its not that hard to get a product through, at least it wasn't in 2004 when i was involved in getting telecoms, epos and gaming psus ul approved for export to the us working for a very small manufacturer, send the product off, either make any changes they request or  the toss, to which they will change their decision if you present a valid argument to them. I can see how it would be difficult to get the majority of the dangerous chinese ***** flooding the market these days by them though, but that doesn't stop them putting ul on the label anyway.

Do you work in access control? Please list some cases caused by Chinese product. I want to learn about it. Thanks

[PeterJames]

I have looked at Chinese Access control, it is not so user friendly as other products found, the software is basic. We have imported some stand alone keypads and biometric readers, push to exit buttons, green callpoints, they work but are not fantastic. It would be good to have a NVM that could be swapped with the standalone keypads, when they go wrong it is a pain to get all the fobs back and reprogram them to the new keypad.

 

Chinese stuff is much better than it used to be,  I visited Shenzhen a couple of times last year found some reliable companies and specified my requirements for CCTV, some access, and proximity fobs, so now I get good stuff. Its an amazing place but the difference in quality between one product and another that look exactly the same on paper and physically is enormous, if China only made the good stuff rather than making **** and good stuff that looks the same more people would buy. That said its better for me if they dont, as I have an advantage over my competition.

[Arron]

5 hours ago, PeterJames said:

I have looked at Chinese Access control, it is not so user friendly as other products found, the software is basic. We have imported some stand alone keypads and biometric readers, push to exit buttons, green callpoints, they work but are not fantastic. It would be good to have a NVM that could be swapped with the standalone keypads, when they go wrong it is a pain to get all the fobs back and reprogram them to the new keypad.

 

Chinese stuff is much better than it used to be,  I visited Shenzhen a couple of times last year found some reliable companies and specified my requirements for CCTV, some access, and proximity fobs, so now I get good stuff. Its an amazing place but the difference in quality between one product and another that look exactly the same on paper and physically is enormous, if China only made the good stuff rather than making **** and good stuff that looks the same more people would buy. That said its better for me if they dont, as I have an advantage over my competition.

Yes, not all Chinese product is of poor quality. But sometimes, inexperienced buyers only ask about price, then some company is able to make the product extremely cheap... So stop competing with price, buyers could only get the worst if they buy the cheapest.

[norman]

Yeah PJ are you listening...

[PeterJames]

4 hours ago, Arron said:

Yes, not all Chinese product is of poor quality. But sometimes, inexperienced buyers only ask about price, then some company is able to make the product extremely cheap... So stop competing with price, buyers could only get the worst if they buy the cheapest.

The problem is not with the customer its with the seller, whats the point in making kit that is only going to last five minutes, or is poor and cheap quality?  I think the Chinese culture is a bit strange, there are lots of places selling shanzhai mostly for export, but many Chinese are buying real quality designer products from the west. Finding a Chinese co that understands that quality is better than cheap or designer/popular look, is far harder than it should be. China can produce quality, the Metro is the envy of the world, far better than our tube, Hikvision is great kit for the money, Dahua the same, Huawei and Oppo phones, just to name a few. I dont understand why so many Chinese co's think its fine to produce stuff that looks okay but doesnt work.  

1 hour ago, norman said:

Yeah PJ are you listening...

Im listening Steve LOL

[Arron]

8 hours ago, PeterJames said:

The problem is not with the customer its with the seller, whats the point in making kit that is only going to last five minutes, or is poor and cheap quality?  I think the Chinese culture is a bit strange, there are lots of places selling shanzhai mostly for export, but many Chinese are buying real quality designer products from the west. Finding a Chinese co that understands that quality is better than cheap or designer/popular look, is far harder than it should be. China can produce quality, the Metro is the envy of the world, far better than our tube, Hikvision is great kit for the money, Dahua the same, Huawei and Oppo phones, just to name a few. I dont understand why so many Chinese co's think its fine to produce stuff that looks okay but doesnt work.  

Im listening Steve LOL

As a seller, I can't totally agree with you. The sellers has problems indeed, but buyers are partly responsible for it too.

In my experience, some buyers just come to China to buy cheap price product. The only question they ask about my product is the price. Although I told them the expensive model lasts long, they still choose to try the cheap model. Because their value is nothing other than knowing the price gap, they don't even want to learn about the product and test it.

Some buyers told me they came to buy good product, but they compare the price with the cheapest. I agree Hikvision, Dahua, Huawei, OPPO are all good, but they don't compete with price, except Hikvision. If you want to have good product, you have to pay the good price. 

 

I just say this let you understand Chinese manufactures better. If you do want to get good product from China, stop comparing price with the cheap suppliers, you can get very good product if you only compare price with your domestic market. When you think you are smart enough to take advantage from bargain, the sellers will take advantage of this mind.

[ElecTech]

If you want to have good product, you have to pay the good price. 

[norman]

I'm a big advocate of buy cheap, buy twice. That said dependant on the product I sometimes only need to buy cheap.