security testing

[aldisjohnson1]

hi don't know if this is the right place but my question is

like pen testers testing computer security remotely, are there jobs that test physical security as my uncle was a locksmith and safe cracker legally and he taught me both i started when i was 8 im 16 now and i have a friend that has skills with alarms(he disabled his own house with ease) we were thinking is there a job that pays teams(physical version of red teams) to plan and physically break into a building and steal a prearranged item find holes in security so we can fix them before people with bad intentions break in and if no such companies exists anyone know if thats even a legal business idea

 

any advice welcome

 

thanks

[al-yeti]

Like giving a hacker a job

[PeterJames]

Security systems wont stop people breaking in to steal stuff they will just detect them once they are in, and a professionally installed system is unlikely to be easily compromised.

 

Ultimately it is down to risk, the type of burglar you are likely to get depends very much on the theft attractiveness of the stock or property. Why would an intelligent person risk getting caught for little reward, therefore in most cases your average house is unlikely to be targeted by anything other than opportunists and small time thief's.  When it comes to high risk properties you will find stuff like smoke cloak, and anti mask detection, this makes it tricky for even the bloke who installed it to get around.  

 

Its not quite the same as it is on the telly 

[aldisjohnson1]

thanks for the input this thought exercise came about because me and my friend were walking down the high street and theres a jeweler and my friend noticed the alarm panel and said its terrible and easy to disable and i checked the back door lock is equally terrible and ease to open. the safe has a an old three wheel pack that i have experience with all we would need is someone that can disable the wifi cctv cameras i want to tell the owner but would we get in trouble. i see businesses with terrible door locks i also see people still running there security on windows xp

 

thanks again for the reply

[aldisjohnson1]

just had a idea if the above is not possible how does one get to work for safe manufactures i assume they pay crackers to test there new packs same as i assume lock manufactures do maybe thats a root to take instead as being the person that helps people who locked there keys in the house i have the skills why not get payed for it

[datadiffusion]

Locks are mostly made in China and designed within the EU but outside of the UK - Abloy control a lot of the EU market from what I can see through carious DIY and professional brands.

 

Safes appear to be an incredibly niche business now (again from my perception) as cash for many goods is on the wain and you are now more likely to find a bigger cash safe in a branch of Starbucks than a Currys.

 

On another, non security forum I'm on there is a member that claims to make his living as a legitimate safe opener, AFAIK he works far and wide and covers an increasingly growing area to make it work.

 

If indeed the safe companies even do employ anyone to test their items, it would more than likely be a very occasional role, not even necessarily within the UK, and would be someone that is already very

well known to them; they would be using someone that has been in the business for years and years and not some random person off the street, I'd imagine.

Edited December 29, 2016 by datadiffusion

[MrHappy]

"security consultant" sometimes employed by big firms or insurance co's they wonder around with a clip board,

 

xyz alarm with xyz signaling method (tick)

xyz safe with xyz cash rating (tick)

 

I doubt there's much demand for a "mission impossible" mock raid on the high street jewellers ?

 

Assuming you got the jeweller & its security suppliers to allow you to be dangled on the 30ft wire from the hole in the roof,  hack the security cameras & open the vault.....  someone will remember that the Sheffield branch or whatever got turned over by a driving teleporter though the shop front which set all the alarms off but did not stop 200k of Rolex's vanishing into the night with the only lead being CCTV showing 3 hooded men leaving in a stolen audi

 

If you feel there's a market for "pen tester" as you describer set  yourself up as one,

Edited December 29, 2016 by MrHappy

[aldisjohnson1]

thank you for advice i think it was a mixture of the skill top open locks and safes mixed with the **** job market, plus the 16 year old that kind of wanted to say be job was contract thief, ill stick to doing it for fun and not a job. it was just a random idea if you have skills and the passion for something why not try to make it a career

 

thanks again for the help and advice

 

[al-yeti]

12 hours ago, MrHappy said:

"security consultant" sometimes employed by big firms or insurance co's they wonder around with a clip board,

 

xyz alarm with xyz signaling method (tick)

xyz safe with xyz cash rating (tick)

 

I doubt there's much demand for a "mission impossible" mock raid on the high street jewellers ?

 

Assuming you got the jeweller & its security suppliers to allow you to be dangled on the 30ft wire from the hole in the roof,  hack the security cameras & open the vault.....  someone will remember that the Sheffield branch or whatever got turned over by a driving teleporter though the shop front which set all the alarms off but did not stop 200k of Rolex's vanishing into the night with the only lead being CCTV showing 3 hooded men leaving in a stolen audi

 

If you feel there's a market for "pen tester" as you describer set  yourself up as one,

I dunno might be on to something , as a hobby, small fee, residential intruder test, see if  there security fails etc 

 

 

[james.wilson]

2 hours ago, aldisjohnson1 said:

thank you for advice i think it was a mixture of the skill top open locks and safes mixed with the **** job market, plus the 16 year old that kind of wanted to say be job was contract thief, ill stick to doing it for fun and not a job. it was just a random idea if you have skills and the passion for something why not try to make it a career

 

thanks again for the help and advice

 

We used to have a lad here that was awesome on galaxy that also had a hobby on picking locks. He was very good at it. Frightenly good