Gardtec 800 having problems

[PeterJames]

53 minutes ago, Steve Jones said:

I will get a picture of a PIR inside, meanwhile I was given the engineer code by an employee, unofficially.....I easily changed it to what I wanted, then, as I said, the engineer code just vanished after using it for several years...any ideas ?

 

you say it’s more expensive due to the number of sensors, does that mean each sensor needs ‘ modding’ ?

 

also on RS website the 600 is listed as discontinued.....any ideas on a good alternative,  or is this still good ? could see what the installers I ask for quotes suggest.....

 

as a side note, I decided to test the system and check the battery in the outside bell box.....this box is 27 years old ish and the battery is still functioning, just got to hang in till the upgrade....only trouble is, the plastic is a bit brittle and one of the retaining lugs broke off, so the box doesn’t fit quite as it should do.....kept making the tamper go off.....have jumpered the micro switch to bypass the tamper, for now.....but the keypad is showing the fault log....it’s all clear now and works fine, even changed the master code from default to my own one.....but no engineer code ???

 

so not sure how to clear this display, not that it matters, for when I enter the master code, it just asks me if I want to set the alarm or not.......just curious..

 

 

Remind me why you looking to replace the panel?

 

[Steve Jones]

Here are pictures of the PIR

 

 

Thanks

[PeterJames]

Yeah its wired EOL

 

Why are you looking to change the panel?

[Steve Jones]

I removed a PIR a year or two ago for decorating and a wire came loose and shorted out the panel PSU a local alarm installer jumped the supply to the PSU Of a phone dialler I had fitted but never used.....

 

but it works ok.......he said it couldn’t really be repaired, that was the best he could do.......so,I thought maybe it should be replaced.....my original problem was that the exit KP occasionally displayed system busy ( or maybe in use )  so was told it was either the KP faulty or a corrupt program.....maybe a full power down and reset would clear that, but not sure if it would...

 

dont want to throw money away......so could just replace one KP power down and reset from factory default....still don’t know if I will get the engineer code back ( although as I said I actually changed this myself previously, so can’t  be locked can it ? )

 

really not not sure of my best, low cost options

 

also is the 600 still a good option if it’s now discontinued ?

 

thanks

PS  can the press no to view alarm display be removed ?

On 08/12/2017 at 18:18, PeterJames said:

Are you sure its an 800? The keypad looks too late for an 800 it could be an 872 but it looks more 595 

It says 814 when it powers up

[WDT]

9 hours ago, Steve Jones said:

Here are pictures of the PIR

 

 

Thanks

 

I see the black wire is fitted very well, why use all the strands when you can leave some out   to be fair i would only be happy with the yellow wire connection. Maybe i have some OCD issues.

 

This is wired EOL.

[Steve Jones]

Thanks

 

i agree, I am also very fussy with wiring, there is only one way, the correct way..

 

the keypad dispays have now now reverted back to time and date...???

 

i know you said this forum isn’t to reach people how to,install alarms, but would,like to,fit a new bell box myself, until I save up to get the rest done...

 

looking at https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0105Y55QO/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I3NLCN459QEJT5&colid=9W5E32SIOQWC&psc=1

 

do you agree with the choice and is it a straight swop ? If you don’t feel able to,assist me with this, I completely understand

 

thanks

 

ps I commented the 600 is discontinued, so is this still viable ?

[PeterJames]

Its a 610 or 620 now or something it is still available, Its the easiest swap over, but its not the best panel. Risco now produce lightsys or something, we looked at that too but its not that good.

 

We only install HKC now which is not really a DIY product, I think that Texecom Premier seems to be the weapon of choice for premium DIY installations. Pyronix also have an offering, thats popular with DIY neither brand is supposed to be DIY but people dont have any trouble getting hold of them.  

 

I wouldnt buy a Pyronix bell, go for a Texecom or Risco bell the polycarbinate is much better quality, it doesnt expand in sun.

[MrHappy]

 

41 minutes ago, Steve Jones said:

i agree, I am also very fussy with wiring, there is only one way, the correct way..

 

eh ? the panel look like is was wired in the dark by a trainee...

 

the pir looks like one screw, there a massive hole in the arse of it, the conductors have been poorly done, the resistors have'nt been cut down or fitted logically 

 

41 minutes ago, Steve Jones said:

i know you said this forum isn’t to reach people how to,install alarms, but would,like to,fit a new bell box myself, until I save up to get the rest done...

 

looking at https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0105Y55QO/_encoding=UTF8?coliid=I3NLCN459QEJT5&colid=9W5E32SIOQWC&psc=1

 

do you agree with the choice and is it a straight swop ? If you don’t feel able to,assist me with this, I completely understand

 

thanks

 

ps I commented the 600 is discontinued, so is this still viable ?

 

For me It very easy to fit your "scatsecure" sounder, 5 wires, a link wire across the pcb terminals

 

41 minutes ago, Steve Jones said:

ps I commented the 600 is discontinued, so is this still viable ?

 

I could order one today & it should be at yours on Wednesday 

 

However the issue will selling to the public or giving staff kit their not trained & familiar with is the length of time explaining why "xyz" doesn't work & its very rarely anything wrong with the kit

[MrHappy]

8 minutes ago, PeterJames said:

I wouldnt buy a Pyronix bell, go for a Texecom or Risco bell the polycarbinate is much better quality, it doesnt expand in sun.

 

I'd had few issues with this,

 

I see lots going up & have wondered how many call back the large player get ?

[PeterJames]

3 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

 

I'd had few issues with this,

 

I see lots going up & have wondered how many call back the large player get ?

Many dont connect the tampers that way it cant go wrong.........cant it?