Changing H&S Regulations

[HaddonEast]

So, I have been in the industry for best part of thirty years as a multi disciplined Engineer (Oh apparently we are not called engineers anymore).

Originally holding an ECS certificate, on renewal I was informed that I cannot have that anymore as I don’t have official qualifications and I am not directly employed (sub contractor) so did CSCS instead.

Now I can’t get CSCS either because now our industry comes under ECS.

At the ripe age of 62 it’s simply not practical to do NVQ because of cost and time.

So as of April 2019 when my CSCS card runs out,  I'm basically *********

What is it with this Country when you can’t work in the Industry even having done the job for years and even had apprentices under my wing during times that I worked direct for Security System Companies inc Kings Security.

Currently I am snowed under with work as apparently the Industry struggling to get new talent.

[al-yeti]

Why not open your own joint so a new card system can be available , make sure it's cheaper and blaggers and house basher can join 

[sjsturner]

Haddon, that doesn’t sound right to me, have you specifically had this convo with ECS?

i know a lot of engineers who have sweet FA in terms of qualification but still get the blue ECS card, due to evidence of time served in the industry (which you have a lot of!)

 

[sjsturner]

https://www.ecscard.org.uk/card-types/emergency-security-systems/emergency-security-systems-installer

 

Does say you need manufacturer training Cert of some kind plus time served.

i Would get to your local ADI ect and book onto the training course of your chosen manufacturer which sometimes is actually free.

[PeterJames]

Grandfather rights still apply, our engineers are still obtaining ECS without formal qualifications.

[HaddonEast]

I do of course have Training certs from PAXTON, Janus, BPT, FAAC UK + IPAF (all modules) Working at heights, Aspestos Class A and I did have ESC but it expired.

 

And have provable Contracting for to most Companies - ADT, Chub, Axis, Amberstone, Digi Security etc (currently I suby through CSR Europe).

Didnt think these counted, Rang about the ECS and was told "I have to be Directly employed or sponsored by an Alarm Company, and that I have to be NVQ Qualified).

 

Thanks everyone for their replies by the way.

 

 

Edited January 19, 2018 by HaddonEast

[goncall]

5 hours ago, HaddonEast said:

I do of course have Training certs from PAXTON, Janus, BPT, FAAC UK + IPAF (all modules) Working at heights, Aspestos Class A and I did have ESC but it expired.

 

And have provable Contracting for to most Companies - ADT, Chub, Axis, Amberstone, Digi Security etc (currently I suby through CSR Europe).

Didnt think these counted, Rang about the ECS and was told "I have to be Directly employed or sponsored by an Alarm Company, and that I have to be NVQ Qualified).

 

Thanks everyone for their replies by the way.

 

 

what card did you apply for,you wont get a gold card without an nvq level3 you should get a white card with proof of expierence and any inhouse training records/certs etc and the h&s test of course

[norman]

I hear Aldi are hiring.

[PeterJames]

6 hours ago, norman said:

I hear Aldi are hiring.

Funny you mention that I popped into my local Aldi today and they had signs everywhere 

11 hours ago, HaddonEast said:

I do of course have Training certs from PAXTON, Janus, BPT, FAAC UK + IPAF (all modules) Working at heights, Aspestos Class A and I did have ESC but it expired.

 

And have provable Contracting for to most Companies - ADT, Chub, Axis, Amberstone, Digi Security etc (currently I suby through CSR Europe).

Didnt think these counted, Rang about the ECS and was told "I have to be Directly employed or sponsored by an Alarm Company, and that I have to be NVQ Qualified).

 

Thanks everyone for their replies by the way.

 

 

You're not that far from us if you need sponsoring Id be happy to help

[norman]

A friend's daughter starts next month as an area manager, starting salary is 42k with a fully expensed A4. Now I'm sure they will want their pound of flesh but still a decent starting salary.