What cctv brand are fellow installers using?

[Sirtoddius]

55 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

 

I think it's right we should question the integrity of equipment installed.

Totally agree. 

Especially when it is potentially to do with national security. 

I will have to try and find the article I read that said about a way they can dial into a networked Dvr/nvr without passwords etc.  

[MrHappy]

32 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

Ah, you maybe right. Not sure if it's all of the range tho.

 

Only the banned manufacturers list (Hik, ZTE, Huawei plus a few others), not everything Chinese.

 

From the US

 

Security Camera Compliance with the 2019 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA)

 

On Aug 1, 2018, the US government passed a resolution, effective Aug 1, 2019, to prevent the federal government, and anyone else who is involved with national security, from making purchases of telecommunications and surveillance cameras originally manufactured in 5 specific factories in China. The ban affects some or all Honeywell, Hikvision, Dahua, Lorex, Swann, LTS, Annke, Alibi, Laview, WBox, Interlogix, Flir, Bosch, ICRealtime, QSee, Panasonic, ADT, Indigo Vision, and many more security products.

 

Your not going to avoid the potential exploits of a blacklisted supplier by avoiding a certain brand ,  its way too complex

 

 

[al-yeti]

6 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

 

From the US

 

 

 

 

Your not going to avoid the potential exploits of a blacklisted supplier by avoiding a certain brand ,  its way too complex

 

 

The way they see it , it's damage limitation nothing else 

 

Any hik rebadged still ends up using hikconnect or an app connected to them

 

So if your contract says don't use it ,why would you risk using hik with another label on it, as eventually it will lead to there software and updates and you won't get paid

 

 

I now opted to use what genie wish range have (only different supplier with no badge and 1/3 of the cost  )

 

All made by TVT China .......

 

Edited May 8, 2019 by al-yeti
Grammar is bad as it is all this china talk making me type even weirder

[sixwheeledbeast]

The installer would be liable if found to be on the banned list, rebrand or not.

[MrHappy]

there need to be whitelist

24 minutes ago, al-yeti said:

Any hik rebadged still ends up using hikconnect or an app connected to them

 

So if your contract says don't use it ,why would you risk using hik with another label on it, as eventually it will lead to there software and updates and you won't get paid

 

I'd assume most don't know what kit is under what badge

 

& when the products are revised there's a chance it could be sourced from OEM

[Alpat Systems]

On 07/05/2019 at 22:13, Sirtoddius said:

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I need to find a hik alternative as most of our work is in NHS/ government buildings and your not allowed to use hikvision in those type of buildings. That’s government law.  

 

Cheers

 

 

We use https://www.videcon.co.uk/ as the alternative to HIK

 

On 07/05/2019 at 22:50, MrHappy said:

 

what the point ?

 

If they don't want hik they must have spec of want they do want ?

 

 

 

The majority of Councils / Government customers run there CCTV/Security projects under NEC3 contracts and CDM rules.

They expect the security experts they have chosen, who would have been selected to go onto there procurement framework to be principal Designer/designer. Its extremely rare you will come across a government institute who would become design responsible.

[Sirtoddius]

Thanks to those to helped. 

 

It’s a minefield but at the same time understandable from the governments point of view. It’s obviously been researched by them.

[al-yeti]

21 minutes ago, Sirtoddius said:

t’s obviously been researched by them.

Nah.

[satsuma01]

On 08/05/2019 at 20:29, Sirtoddius said:

Totally agree. 

Especially when it is potentially to do with national security. 

I will have to try and find the article I read that said about a way they can dial into a networked Dvr/nvr without passwords etc.  

Did you manage to find the article about them logging into the systems 

[emsgeorge]

We've been advised by the 'expert' that a local council brought in, that we could use hik, as long as its only cameras, and not dvrs, and only if the system was coax based, rather than IP.

 

The basis of the conversation being that if its not a hik dvr, and the system isn't IP, then they couldn't possibly dial into the cameras, as that would have to be via the dvr, which not being hik, couldn't happen. 

 

Although a lot of the larger buildings we look after for said council are all IP, as the original design was all done via cat5 and switches on each floor.