Telecom Security - BNIB find!

[datadiffusion]

So you might have noticed back in the day a few Telecom Security boxes, the earlier ones of which had the famous post-81 British Telecom logo on.

 

https://burglaralarmbritain.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/telecom-security-southwark/

 

 

It seems they were bought by Modern Alarms but also seemed to be still around for a short time at least, by the time Modern themselves were rolled into ADT.

By the end they appeared to be using the same Galaxy systems as ADT, but with Telecom branding on the RKPs and the 'famous' coloured buttons for Police, Fire and Medical.

 

But what I've got hold of is one of the earlier, very definately not-available-in-shops Telecom alarms, brand new in it's box.

 

 

Note the BT logo but only on the inside. Very US looking, and would have had an external PSU and a keylock in the states too. However the

plug, rather than spur, connection is also very 'BT'. For some reason I'm assuming that these panels were never actually BS compliant, despite the

inferred police dispatch? Or did BT 'misuse' their ability to access 999 direct? It's certainly the only monitoring co. I've ever come across that will

call you an ambulance, other than specialist medical (non-security) monitoring? Note it can do up to 24 zones via expanders back when this was unheard of for

most panels especially a domestic aimed system.

 

This solves the 'mystery' of the Scantronic Telecom keypads being sold on eBay, I don't know what DSS stands for but I know that

Arrowhead* (see below) was a US company bought up by Scantronic Holdings in the early 90s. It went as badly as you can imagine and is pretty much

how Scanny fell into the hands of US buyers (Cooper) the first time round with Arrowhead (seemingly partially rebranded to Scantronic by then)

being essentially written off for pennies.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Scantronic-Alarm-Control-LED-Keypad-Telecom-Security-Ref-9601/173941423825?hash=item287fb77ed1:g:a2EAAOSwQydcyxxN

 

In fact, take a look at the panel closely and you'll see a Scan Tronic label on one of the ICs. I'm impressed by that Siemens CPU too.

 

I don;t have a keyboard but this little bundle came with something I've never seen before on ebay - an Arrowhead programming keyboard!

 

It's just like the eBay link above, but with 3 LEDs not two, and 3 extra wires and a plug.

 

 

 

Unfortunately, there is no-where to plug it onto this unit.

 

So, for now the adventure stops.

 

Were these programmed remotely (as it was a monitored-only service) or only via the remote? I suppose it could have been done via a 2 digit RKP, after all the 9800 is.

 

Does anyone know anything about these....?

 

 

Edited July 16, 2019 by datadiffusion

[MrHappy]

6 minutes ago, Logan said:

these panels were actually made by EPC a division of arrowhead enterprises.

 

I note you don't collect vintage hoovers...

[datadiffusion]

Nope from what I can gather they mostly had dummy H boxes, apparently very few were live bells, my bundle came with a few white Hex bells which come with Elmdene siren guts with manuals stating 'ADT Modern'. I think during the Modern Eurobell era they were still owner by BT?

 

Not as interesting but I also have a Galaxy 16+ bnib with Telecom software and Telecom branded rkp Inc the special multicoloured alert buttons. 

Edited July 16, 2019 by datadiffusion

[datadiffusion]

Years ago, @norman said in relation to the same panel as above...

 

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Unless you have a programming keypad you will not be able to use the panel, there is no service timer on these so there may be a fault elsewhere. Bullet proof panels but disliked by engineers for some reason, as Mr H says you will need to install new.

 

I seem to have the programming keypad (see above pic) but can't see where on earth you would plug it? Or is there an interface board that's missing a bit like on a Texe flasher?

 

(the plug next to the heatsink is comms and the one on the programming RKP won't fit anyway)

Edited July 16, 2019 by datadiffusion

[goncall]

They were made by advantor ,they did sent fire ,med and pa which complied after changes to the programming fire and med were a call to site there were 2 versions the 680 and 685 the later one was progd from its own rkp as it had a 2 segment display sounders were internal you needed a separate psu f you wanted an external siren used sia signalling ,I've got th manuals I'll try to upload

Edited July 16, 2019 by goncall

[datadiffusion]

Cheers @goncall and thanks, I forgot you'd probably have come across these.

 

I did re-read the manual after (the one written by Telecom and intended to be left with the customer, although the later one tucked inside the later Galaxy based model) and you're right Medical says they would actually only call an ambulance if they had spoken back to you first (same with Fire then but not mentioned in the manual).

 

As I said earlier the Telecom Security white hex bell comes with an Elmdene manual headed up 'ADT Modern Siren model xxxx' (c) 1997 - makes you realise how long ago it all was.

 

Edited July 16, 2019 by datadiffusion

[kwc]

Keypad card overlay for programming.

mainly only had internal as siren.

arc used to program them up and dow

nload to site.

worked on them at modern/adt

[kwc]

Have most manuals 

705 Quick User Guide pdf.pdf

Newer versions had a mic and a speaker for the medical

[datadiffusion]

Cheers, another member has PMd me the manuals for the 680, it mentions the default engineer number, (and although you can, tells employees not to change it!)

so I'm going to assume that this is the same one that would come from the factory, after all it looks like the unit has very custom firmware.

 

What I can't see yet is any way to disable the comms or change the phone number which I find a bit odd - the 680 manual is written in house for staff rather than by the manf.

and isn't a full manual, mainly zones, helpful enough for now though.

 

Something else not mentioned is the default master code, only how to change it!

 

Once I've got my keypad I'll post a quick vid

Edited March 10, 2020 by sixwheeledbeast
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[datadiffusion]

Keypad arrived this afternoon, will see if I can get anything wired up over the weekend