Alarm Sounder Box Nightmare to Reach

[EDinMK]

Hello All

 

i purchased a Yale alarm systems recently to replace an old system for my aging In-Laws

It was one of these

 

https://help.yale.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/IA-Alarms-data-sheet-HR.pdf 

 

I also got some additional extra sensors and panic button etc

 

The issue I have is that it is replacing an old system and there is an existing hole and wire on the wall

as the old system was wired..So I want to cover up this area, messy unpainted, cracked render etc etc

 

Also the alarm is in a very awkward place to reach ...as its not a simple matter of a ladder as its 

above a dorma that cannot be easily reached without some sort of platform and i dont fancy it to be honest

 

And i have realised that the 4 batteries in the wireless sounder will have to be replaced at times, which would be a nightmare

for us/them/anyone

 

As there is already a alarm core cable running to the outside, could we just replace the batteries (4 x d cell) by connections with a
suitable PSU we could plug in ?  Would make life a LOT easier.

 

We love the features of the Yale Wireless system ...its just the inconvenience of the sounder ..which we would prefer to be wired

 

Thanks for your help in advance

 

[datadiffusion]

1 minute ago, EDinMK said:

We love the features of the Yale Wireless system

 

Unfortunately, we all, as one, hate the features of the Yale Wireless system, it is utter junk.

 

They can't even spell / check 'triggered' on the datasheet!

 

You can't replace the siren batteries with a PSU.

 

You would have been better off with a quality system such as a Texecom or similar, that would have allowed you to retain a wired siren, maint. free,

up to 4 existing wired zones such as door contacts, extras in 2-way wireless, and better yet have cloud based, app control so if anything happens at your in-laws

you would not only hear about it but be able to log in, reset the alarm, and see exactly what caused the alarm and when.

 

https://www.pentestpartners.com/security-blog/alarm-systems-alarmingly-insecure-oh-the-irony/

[EDinMK]

Well i hear u for sure...

 

the system that is there is a 30yr old gardiner one big steel box job ..hasnt worked for years.

Successive people decorating house have cut and tripped and ripped out all the wiring from the sensors ...

 

its gone

 

they definitely dont want to go back to a wired sensor world ..i mean the Yale looks a cheapy for sure.

But i know a a few people have them and for the basics they seem to suffice..its no TEXECOM

 

But they have had this Yale in the front room now for 6 months and they want me to get it sorted .

I dont want to be stuck with them 4 D cells outside ...and i know you said they CANNOT be replaced with an internal

PSU ...but what is the reason they can't

 

I mean if i crimp a pair of the old 6 core cable to the terminals and remove the battery then technically i would only

have to make sure there is a suitable DC charger on the other end ....? Or am i missing something 

 

Listen ..I know its not a pro-jobbie ...But its what I am stuck with 

[EDinMK]

To be honest i checked the datasheet and it's the same way i would spell triggered !

I must be going daft

 

"...The Yale Intruder Alarm alerts you when your alarm is triggered, and allows you to disarm your
alarm with a simple tap of your contactless tag. The 200m extended range enables you to protect
outbuildings as well as your home, with enhanced encrypted security for the ultimate peace of mind..."

[datadiffusion]

6 minutes ago, EDinMK said:

But its what I am stuck with

 

Not really, unless money is a massive issue, I appreciate a lot of the old wires might have been cut but how about the one to the old siren, since you're thinking of reusing it?

 

Since we don't touch the Yale stuff I'm not going to stand here and say it can't be done, ever (PSU instead of battery) but don't be surprised if unless you get a very well matched and

regulated PSU you'll be back up there, just for a different reason than a duff battery! So on that basis I'd not recommend bothering. As the system is pretty insecure anyway is there

not ANY other location the bell can go?

 

2 minutes ago, EDinMK said:

To be honest i checked the datasheet and it's the same way i would spell triggered !

I must be going daft

 

[EDinMK]

Well the wire to the box seems to be intact

the box is buggered and peeling ....think rust too!

 

2 years ago a neighbour tried to get it off and it cam away but he pushed it back as plaster was a mess 

I mean i COULD resite ...but it would mean i had to replaster and stuff ..which is bad news

 

and also this old suare box will fall off soon anyway 

[EDinMK]

22 minutes ago, datadiffusion said:

Ah ..i didnt see the piccies, just the first bit.

Well money is an issue to be honest ....it always is with pensioners.

I mean i could have added a bit ...but I am part time now too ...so ..

 

 

 

Not really, unless money is a massive issue, I appreciate a lot of the old wires might have been cut but how about the one to the old siren, since you're thinking of reusing it?

 

Since we don't touch the Yale stuff I'm not going to stand here and say it can't be done, ever (PSU instead of battery) but don't be surprised if unless you get a very well matched and

regulated PSU you'll be back up there, just for a different reason than a duff battery! So on that basis I'd not recommend bothering. As the system is pretty insecure anyway is there

not ANY other location the bell can go?

 

 

 

[al-yeti]

Just mount the box in a more suitable position , you just have to deal with any other repairs , that's the way it is

[EDinMK]

ok thanks ...I think i will mess about with the alarm while its down

here..i got a boatload of PSU and stuff here and a tester so I will try and emulate the batteries.
 

i dont want to be teetering up there for an hour or so with a bucket of render and a sandtex covered paintbrush
and THEN still have to drill and fix the new box somewhere else

 

just have to work out how to keep the learning function active while putting it up "powerless" 

..probably just have the wife learning from downstairs.

 

I was reading that you can wire up some DUMMY d-cells ..anyone ever done that ?

 

[EDinMK]

Thanks Logan ....I know ...but thy have bought this Yale
I only live at the back behind them 

 

I mean they have 2 MAD Jack Russells ...so I can t see anything past a SWAT team getting in anyway
they are aggressive as hell!

 

Its just a peace of mind thing. I mean one of their friends recommended it and they seem happy enough .

Forget that Gardiner ....that was there when they bought the house and has NEVER worked and i mean like Pre-1990 ! 
The wall box in porch is more spiders than wires !

 

I mean i know they LOOKED at other systems ...but they were looking for something that was like sub-£200 and they 

could get muggins here to fit (that's the truth of it)

 

I mean its got them keyfobs things and it all just contacts as they cant use PIR because of the dogs ..so its fairly

basic workload only thing is a panic alarm in the bedroom

 

I wouldnt touch wireless anything if i can help it,,,but its not me