Scantronic 9751 conversion to Texecom Ricochet/Premier Elite

[Jay V]

Hello all,

 

Firstly I am not an installer or in the trade, however I feel I am fairly competent/knowledgeable in setting up (not installing) a new alarm system, as I have some experience with my Scantronic 9751 (Stage 1 reset and amending zones, etc)

 

No doubt you are the experts who install these alarms daily so just needed some advice. 

 

In simple I was decorating a room and the typically the plaster came off with the wall paper! Now the room needs plastering, so this mean't putting the current PIR into NOT IN USE (NU) mode, with no engineers code, I did the Stage 1 reset and then put the PIR into NU mode. I just felt more comfortable leaving the PIR hanging off the ceiling all connected up in a plastic bag, this way no wires left exposed to short, and also I have no clue about FSL, EOL or resistors in general. Is this the best option, or is it relatively easy to remove the PIR and what wiring is involved (loops/links, etc)?

 

Whilst doing all this I thought why not upgrade the system to a Texecom Ricochet Premier Elite, as the wireless PIRs are easy to place anywhere in the room and remove/deactivate (as I am decorating the whole house this year). My set up would consist of:

 

1x Texecom 64w (with keypad wired or wireless, Comm. unit for Wifi and internal battery)

1x Door contact WIRELESS

4x PIRs downstairs WIRELESS

1x PIRs upstairs landing WIRED - quite awkward access to change batteries

1x Sounder Ideally WIRED as I don't fancy climbing a ladder every few years to change the battery

 

Talking to Texecom Technical they said the above is fine, but the main question is can I use my existing wiring (I completely forgot to check the wiring when I opened the Scantronic panel so unsure what cable is used, eg no. of cores) to connect the sounder and upstairs PIR to The Texecom control panel (it has 4 hard wired connections and I believe the sounder is separate, so should have 3 connections left free).

 

No doubt The Texecom PIRs that are wireless are very easy to set up but what is involved in the wired PIR and Sounder, do I need to add resistors for tamper, etc?

 

I can bench test the whole system on my dining table first so I know it works but the 2 wired connections are my concern.

 

Now to start a debate, purely based on The Texecom Premier Elite, should I go for the Ricochet (Hybrid) Wireless - as above, or go wired, I appreciate wired is the best option but as mentioned wireless seems simpler but I can get over that convenience if the Ricochet from your experience gives too many faults/false alarms.

 

Many thanks 

 

Jay

 

 

[al-yeti]

1 hour ago, Jay V said:

Hello all,

 

Firstly I am not an installer or in the trade, however I feel I am fairly competent/knowledgeable in setting up (not installing) a new alarm system, as I have some experience with my Scantronic 9751 (Stage 1 reset and amending zones, etc)

 

No doubt you are the experts who install these alarms daily so just needed some advice. 

 

In simple I was decorating a room and the typically the plaster came off with the wall paper! Now the room needs plastering, so this mean't putting the current PIR into NOT IN USE (NU) mode, with no engineers code, I did the Stage 1 reset and then put the PIR into NU mode. I just felt more comfortable leaving the PIR hanging off the ceiling all connected up in a plastic bag, this way no wires left exposed to short, and also I have no clue about FSL, EOL or resistors in general. Is this the best option, or is it relatively easy to remove the PIR and what wiring is involved (loops/links, etc)?

 

Whilst doing all this I thought why not upgrade the system to a Texecom Ricochet Premier Elite, as the wireless PIRs are easy to place anywhere in the room and remove/deactivate (as I am decorating the whole house this year). My set up would consist of:

 

1x Texecom 64w (with keypad wired or wireless, Comm. unit for Wifi and internal battery)

1x Door contact WIRELESS

4x PIRs downstairs WIRELESS

1x PIRs upstairs landing WIRED - quite awkward access to change batteries

1x Sounder Ideally WIRED as I don't fancy climbing a ladder every few years to change the battery

 

Talking to Texecom Technical they said the above is fine, but the main question is can I use my existing wiring (I completely forgot to check the wiring when I opened the Scantronic panel so unsure what cable is used, eg no. of cores) to connect the sounder and upstairs PIR to The Texecom control panel (it has 4 hard wired connections and I believe the sounder is separate, so should have 3 connections left free).

 

No doubt The Texecom PIRs that are wireless are very easy to set up but what is involved in the wired PIR and Sounder, do I need to add resistors for tamper, etc?

 

I can bench test the whole system on my dining table first so I know it works but the 2 wired connections are my concern.

 

Now to start a debate, purely based on The Texecom Premier Elite, should I go for the Ricochet (Hybrid) Wireless - as above, or go wired, I appreciate wired is the best option but as mentioned wireless seems simpler but I can get over that convenience if the Ricochet from your experience gives too many faults/false alarms.

 

Many thanks 

 

Jay

 

 

What's your existing system then ?

 

How many existing wired sensors do you have and where r they 

[Jay V]

Hi Al-Yeti,

 

Thanks for the reply, I have:

 

1x Scantronic 9751

1x Scantronic 9930 keypad

1x Sounder

1x internal sounder

5x PIRs (Kitchen, Rear of Lounge, Front of Lounge, Office and Upstairs Hallway)

1x Front Door Contact

 

The above is exclusively wired. 

[sixwheeledbeast]

You say wireless seems simple but it's just a different solution you still need to understand all the technical side of fitting them.

It may seem like screw them on the wall but there a fair bit of positioning checks and programming with a new wireless panel

 

The 64-W has 4 wired zones and the bell is separate, if need be keypads have 2 zones in them.

If your system is in a serviceable condition (reliable, maintained, tested and battery replaced as required) then it seems overboard to replace everything for wireless due to a bit of plastering in one room IMO.

[datadiffusion]

As SWB it seems loony to me to replace any wired detector with wireless just for the sake of it, in a room you want to keep detection!

[al-yeti]

3 hours ago, Jay V said:

Hi Al-Yeti,

 

Thanks for the reply, I have:

 

1x Scantronic 9751

1x Scantronic 9930 keypad

1x Sounder

1x internal sounder

5x PIRs (Kitchen, Rear of Lounge, Front of Lounge, Office and Upstairs Hallway)

1x Front Door Contact

 

The above is exclusively wired. 

Ok so keep everything that is wired wired and then add wireless units where needed if you can't get cables there or are lazy 

 

So you need a slightly different panel that gives you more wired zones or expander wired for panel your thinking 

 

Not sure which expander tho , ask an expert lol

[datadiffusion]

18 minutes ago, al-yeti said:

if you can't get cables there or are lazy

 

LOL!

[Jay V]

3 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

You say wireless seems simple but it's just a different solution you still need to understand all the technical side of fitting them.

It may seem like screw them on the wall but there a fair bit of positioning checks and programming with a new wireless panel

 

The 64-W has 4 wired zones and the bell is separate, if need be keypads have 2 zones in them.

If your system is in a serviceable condition (reliable, maintained, tested and battery replaced as required) then it seems overboard to replace everything for wireless due to a bit of plastering in one room IMO.

 

Thanks SWB, I appreciate the PIRs are not a simple swap over nor are they items that can be fixed at any position in the room. 

 

I'm not one to go over kill on replacing a unit for one room! lol but as mentioned earlier I will be doing the whole house during the year and no doubt the plaster issue will be the same as its a 1930's house with loose plaster on numerous walls behind the wall paper. From previous experience with numerous plasterers, whilst working, the room can get quite messy and wet/damp. I just want a 'simple' way to pull the detector out in the interim, hence the idea of the wireless system.

 

1 hour ago, datadiffusion said:

As SWB it seems loony to me to replace any wired detector with wireless just for the sake of it, in a room you want to keep detection!

 

Thanks for your opinion, hopefully my point above will better explain my reasoning.

 

48 minutes ago, al-yeti said:

Ok so keep everything that is wired wired and then add wireless units where needed if you can't get cables there or are lazy 

 

So you need a slightly different panel that gives you more wired zones or expander wired for panel your thinking 

 

Not sure which expander tho , ask an expert lol

 

Al-Yeti, thanks again, I did consider a wired system as an option with a wireless extender but if the majority of PIRs are wired then there's no point (for me any way) having wireless extenders as the cost will sky rocket due to the extra equipment.

 

 

 

I appreciate everyones opinion, so thanks, however my questions are more about experience of the Ricochet system, does it cause false alarms or have other commons issues/faults due to it being wireless and how to wire up a Texecom PIR (standard pet friendly not the Dual one with Microwave sensing) to The Texecom 64w control panel, basically a detailed guide on wiring both ends.

 

With this information, I can make a better informed decisions as A) I will get an idea of how much out of my depths I am attempting to wire this up, meaning I may need a professional installer and B) is the wireless Texecom Ricochet as reliable as the wired Premier Elite version, looking for advice from the trade who has experience in both systems and not hypothetical theories, as someones opinion of Yales wireless system could be negative and not give a accurate reflection of Texecoms' technology.

 

Again many thanks for all your input so far guys.

 

 

 

[al-yeti]

12 minutes ago, Jay V said:

 

Thanks SWB, I appreciate the PIRs are not a simple swap over nor are they items that can be fixed at any position in the room. 

 

I'm not one to go over kill on replacing a unit for one room! lol but as mentioned earlier I will be doing the whole house during the year and no doubt the plaster issue will be the same as its a 1930's house with loose plaster on numerous walls behind the wall paper. From previous experience with numerous plasterers, whilst working, the room can get quite messy and wet/damp. I just want a 'simple' way to pull the detector out in the interim, hence the idea of the wireless system.

 

 

Thanks for your opinion, hopefully my point above will better explain my reasoning.

 

 

Al-Yeti, thanks again, I did consider a wired system as an option with a wireless extender but if the majority of PIRs are wired then there's no point (for me any way) having wireless extenders as the cost will sky rocket due to the extra equipment.

 

 

 

I appreciate everyones opinion, so thanks, however my questions are more about experience of the Ricochet system, does it cause false alarms or have other commons issues/faults due to it being wireless and how to wire up a Texecom PIR (standard pet friendly not the Dual one with Microwave sensing) to The Texecom 64w control panel, basically a detailed guide on wiring both ends.

 

With this information, I can make a better informed decisions as A) I will get an idea of how much out of my depths I am attempting to wire this up, meaning I may need a professional installer and B) is the wireless Texecom Ricochet as reliable as the wired Premier Elite version, looking for advice from the trade who has experience in both systems and not hypothetical theories, as someones opinion of Yales wireless system could be negative and not give a accurate reflection of Texecoms' technology.

 

Again many thanks for all your input so far guys.

 

 

 

Ricochet can habe it's difficulties to setup , although those that install it regular have less issues

 

Also with respect, if majority sensors are wired , cost of a hybrid system now is better , but seems you missed the point 

 

[Jay V]

5 minutes ago, al-yeti said:

Ricochet can habe it's difficulties to setup , although those that install it regular have less issues

 

Also with respect, if majority sensors are wired , cost of a hybrid system now is better , but seems you missed the point 

 

 

Fair point, thanks for that! I am no professional so this is all fairly new to me and no doubt I will learn of other options/ideas, any input is greatly appreciated.