Pyronix Enforcer With Wireless Optex Perimeter Beams

[al-yeti]

10 minutes ago, james.wilson said:

Flexibility wise I'd go spc or dimension both will take rf too

Both confuse people to

[MrHappy]

Anything outside is going to FA, if it doesn't FA its not going to detect anybody

Edited April 5, 2020 by MrHappy

[EViS]

  

22 minutes ago, sixwheeledbeast said:

Security is about layers start from the core and work out.

If the perimeter system fails to operate or false activates and cries wolf all the time your left with nothing for your investment (both time and money).

You can buy all the "best kit in the world" and apply it wrong you'll still have a poor system.

I'm using the "core" as being the exterior boundary to the property (i.e. the beams). If that primary system fails, the external PIR's facing towards the entrance doors should activate. If these secondary layers of security fail, the internal sensors/PIR's (to be installed at a later date) will provide the final level of defence. However, by the time anyone has gained entry, it's already mostly too late (IMO).

 

The CCTV being used instead of the beams/external pir's is a spanner in the works (as per my other thread). But it could be argued that if used in isolation, these are only providing one level of security as opposed to fitting in between level 2 (external pir's) and level 3 (internal pir's and window/doors sensors).

 

Although I may be missing what you're trying to get across with your reply ?

 

5 minutes ago, MrHappy said:

Anything outside is going to FA, if it doesn't FA its not going to detect anybody

I fully expect this. But would you therefore advise that it's a waste of time/money installing?

Edited April 5, 2020 by EViS

[PeterJames]

1 hour ago, EViS said:

 

 

I've done my best to research the pro's and con's between using CCTV vs beams and came to the conclusion that beams are less likely to FA and more likely to capture any human movement. I am assuming your experience is the opposite to this? I'm not interested in CCTV being used as evidence of any breaches/crimes (as we all know this is futile), but I am interested in using it to confirm any notifications (from broken beams or otherwise). However, if CCTV can indeed work as efficiently as beams and external PIR's, I'd much rather opt for these as a simpler (and potentially lower cost) setup.

 

What would your suggestion be? Bearing in mind the access to tech/installation manuals for a non-alarm trade.

 

 

Both Dahua and Hik (Although I am less familiar with the latter) have really good AI with quite a low FA rate. The good thing is they send a picture to your phone and so you can visually confirm the activation rather than having to log into one app to find out which beam then into another to find look at the camera. They can be set up to detect humans or vehicles you can put a trip wire on the screen that is similar to a beam and determine the minimum and maximum size you want it to report.

 

My set up ignores my dog in the back garden (and foxes) but I know when my wife is bringing the washing in. If anyone approaches my back doors or out buildings I get notifications on my phone. I have the tripwires and intruder boxes set up so they only alert me after 18.00 and before 0630 weekends and 24hr weekdays (ive had to change that since lockdown though)  The recorder beeps if anyone approaches the front door 24/7. The only time I had false alarms was when my patio furniture cover blew half off the furniture, but to be fair I needed to know that happened so I didnt mind. I have turrets so spiders are not a problem either.

CCTV has really changed, it used to tell you what had happened it now tells you when something happens in realtime. 

 

[PeterJames]

Anyone crosses that line either direction I know about it 

 

[EViS]

11 minutes ago, PeterJames said:

Both Dahua and Hik (Although I am less familiar with the latter) have really good AI with quite a low FA rate. The good thing is they send a picture to your phone and so you can visually confirm the activation rather than having to log into one app to find out which beam then into another to find look at the camera. They can be set up to detect humans or vehicles you can put a trip wire on the screen that is similar to a beam and determine the minimum and maximum size you want it to report.

 

My set up ignores my dog in the back garden (and foxes) but I know when my wife is bringing the washing in. If anyone approaches my back doors or out buildings I get notifications on my phone. I have the tripwires and intruder boxes set up so they only alert me after 18.00 and before 0630 weekends and 24hr weekdays (ive had to change that since lockdown though)  The recorder beeps if anyone approaches the front door 24/7. The only time I had false alarms was when my patio furniture cover blew half off the furniture, but to be fair I needed to know that happened so I didnt mind. I have turrets so spiders are not a problem either.

CCTV has really changed, it used to tell you what had happened it now tells you when something happens in realtime. 

 

Steady on .

 

So as a form of notification, would you say that CCTV should result in less FA's than external beams, even at night? How can I expand on the system of mobile push notifications to result in a loud alarm/chime being heard inside which has a chance of waking me up? Or could this be done in-app on the mobile (i.e. android)?

 

If CCTV is as reliable as you attest, in what scenarios are beams still used? Long open spans of farmland, wide open commercial spaces, etc.? Whereas in most residential situations, CCTV should be a superior option?

[norman]

Remember car lights and changing light due to clouds will also trigger AI, you don't get that with beams. 

[PeterJames]

Just set the notification on your phone loud enough to wake you up. Mine has never woke me up yet, but as far as I know nobody has been in my garden at least not approaching the entrances. AI is fairly new to be fair beams will continue to sell for a while but the technology is getting cheaper and cheaper I have face recognition numberplate recognition and allsorts on my NVR but thats only because I need to know how it works not because I use it. With the smart search I can search for someone wearing a yellow top, or a hat with vehicle search I can search a red or blue car its very clever and getting cleverer by the minute 

[EViS]

4 minutes ago, PeterJames said:

Just set the notification on your phone loud enough to wake you up. Mine has never woke me up yet, but as far as I know nobody has been in my garden at least not approaching the entrances. AI is fairly new to be fair beams will continue to sell for a while but the technology is getting cheaper and cheaper I have face recognition numberplate recognition and allsorts on my NVR but thats only because I need to know how it works not because I use it. With the smart search I can search for someone wearing a yellow top, or a hat with vehicle search I can search a red or blue car its very clever and getting cleverer by the minute 

In your experience, have car lights and sudden changes in cloud cover been an issue with FA, as per @norman's reply above?

[al-yeti]

45 minutes ago, EViS said:

Steady on .

 

So as a form of notification, would you say that CCTV should result in less FA's than external beams, even at night? How can I expand on the system of mobile push notifications to result in a loud alarm/chime being heard inside which has a chance of waking me up? Or could this be done in-app on the mobile (i.e. android)?

 

If CCTV is as reliable as you attest, in what scenarios are beams still used? Long open spans of farmland, wide open commercial spaces, etc.? Whereas in most residential situations, CCTV should be a superior option?

I say your using beams wrong way 

 

How you going to mount them where exactly?