scrimshanker Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Hi Could someone enlighten me on the regs regarding the setting and unsetting of an alarm using a home control system such as Control 4 instead of the keypad of the alarm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Regs are possibly too advanced and niche for you. 2 1 Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, scrimshanker said: Hi Could someone enlighten me on the regs regarding the setting and unsetting of an alarm using a home control system such as Control 4 instead of the keypad of the alarm. As long as the component doing the disarming meets the component requirements of en 50131 then you can certificate it 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrimshanker Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 So they aren't compliant as none of the home control systems out there meet the requirements. as for Norman, that's the reason this site is not a professional forum and more a boys club! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 And yet you keep returning. 1 Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 40 minutes ago, scrimshanker said: So they aren't compliant as none of the home control systems out there meet the requirements. imo no they are not Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrimshanker Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 is this an oversight as insurance companies must request police response for these houses due to the cost of them and they aren't compliant, or is police response a thing of the past and insurance companies just require key holder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amps Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Setting time must be a minimum of 30 seconds with the setting alert audible throughout the premises. That’s about I think although no one uses the 30 second thing or the audible throughout the premises parts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james.wilson Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 hours ago, scrimshanker said: is this an oversight as insurance companies must request police response for these houses due to the cost of them and they aren't compliant, or is police response a thing of the past and insurance companies just require key holder? There is no way to control 3rd party integrations if the provider doesn't have 3rd party certification. Its a want these houses have not a need. Think about what would happen if the system failed to perform. The certification company would be taking all the risk on a system the installer / maintainer has no control over. I believe these integrations rely on engineer level access between them. Any installer doing this without the necessary protection is daft IMHO. There is a 'guide' being worked on but the scope is so massive there is no time line if it ever sees the light of day. 1 Quote securitywarehouse Security Supplies from Security Warehouse Trade Members please contact us for your TSI vetted trade discount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, Amps said: Setting time must be a minimum of 30 seconds with the setting alert audible throughout the premises. That’s about I think although no one uses the 30 second thing or the audible throughout the premises parts That's only for remote arming apps as part of the system IIRC. Third party connections are not going to conform to relevant EN's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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