Cieska Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Hi all, After looking at some job ads, seems that without experience, they don't even look my way to take me on board. So my thinking is to decorate my CV with fire and security-related certifications. Now is a little bit confusing about where to start? I need help to answer some questions. I need your thoughts on: 1. I'm right that fire-related certifications would be more weighty, instead of electronic security courses? 2. If [1] is [yes] then where to go FIA or NSI or somewhere else? 3. How courses from FIA (BS 5839-1 Fundamentals in FD&A Unit 1 / Unit 2) and NSI (Introduction to BS 5839-1:2017 and Basic Fire Detection & Alarm System Design Awareness) are different and which one is right for me? 4. Would be BS 5839-1 Fundamentals in FD&A a good choice? I would like to skip very fundamentals courses as they usually bit boring. 5. FIA training is EXPENSIVE! NSI not listing prices, or I don't understand something? Who knows how NSI pricing it? Where else would be good to look at to have industry known certificates with maybe more friendly prices? 6. FIA courses are reasonably cheaper if you got a membership with them. I'm bit lost with membership pricing too. Which one lowest price membership would be enough to receive a discount on courses? https://www.fia.uk.com/membership/membership-fees.html I have got much more questions, but let's start here. (Maybe I will update the list later on if it's possible to edit the main post after the topic posted?) Thanks in advance for the time you spend for me. P.s. I've seen other topics here related to certifications related to Asbestos Awareness, PASMA, CSCS, ECS etc. but let's not talk about those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 its unlikely any coarses will take place due to covid ? are you an adult ? Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cieska Posted July 30, 2020 Author Share Posted July 30, 2020 1 minute ago, MrHappy said: its unlikely any coarses will take place due to covid ? are you an adult ? Let's not talk about covid. Let's be on topic. And I think courses running already, also, my preference would be online. Adult, yes. Do I sound like I'm not? I'm nearly 40 years old professional with varios sills and knowledge, just when changing job title is not easy to prove to hiring manager that I can show my abilities in Fire & Security field as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHappy Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 19 minutes ago, Cieska said: Let's not talk about covid there's gonna be very little face to face training, all the fire modules are gonna be class room based 19 minutes ago, Cieska said: Adult, yes. Do I sound like I'm not? TSI regular posters are embittered trade professionals & school kids fishing alarms out of skips If you want to work in the industry, apply for job somewhere diy skills & basic electronic & electrical will paper qualifications are great to have, but not the same as practical knowledge Quote Mr Veritas God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Cieska said: Let's not talk about covid. Let's be on topic. And I think courses running already, also, my preference would be online. Adult, yes. Do I sound like I'm not? I'm nearly 40 years old professional with varios sills and knowledge, just when changing job title is not easy to prove to hiring manager that I can show my abilities in Fire & Security field as well. 40? Starting way to late , you might aswell give up now...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 10 hours ago, Cieska said: just when changing job title is not easy to prove to hiring manager that I can show my abilities in Fire & Security field as well. Are you going for a career change or are you already working in this industry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cieska Posted July 31, 2020 Author Share Posted July 31, 2020 9 minutes ago, PeterJames said: Are you going for a career change or are you already working in this industry? 3 minutes ago, PeterJames said: Career change, correct. I did some wiring and simple point termination, when working at some electrical companies. I have no problems with electronics. Electronics is my passion / hobby since my 13een's. I can't state that I security engineer whrlen applying for the job as I will fail, but I need a month and I could do most of the tasks on my own. But how to explain to hiring person when you apply to agency? Most of the works listed are through the agencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norman Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 Like a supreme athlete my exit plan was well and truly under way by the time I was 35! Quote Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterJames Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Cieska said: Career change, correct. I did some wiring and simple point termination, when working at some electrical companies. I have no problems with electronics. Electronics is my passion / hobby since my 13een's. I can't state that I security engineer whrlen applying for the job as I will fail, but I need a month and I could do most of the tasks on my own. But how to explain to hiring person when you apply to agency? Most of the works listed are through the agencies. Tricky one, at your age I think that you will find it hard, nobody in this industry seem to be interested in investing in training people, most of the adverts I see on the FB forums are for engineers with three years experience or more. None of them are interested in taking on apprentices, let alone a mature apprentice. The wages for trainees is circa £18K, some much less some a bit more, most mature trainees couldn't survive on the wage. No certificate will help you either, without experience you are an expensive asset, the cert shows you know and understand the rules, but experience shows you know all the things you cant learn in a classroom like the product for example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted July 31, 2020 Share Posted July 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, PeterJames said: Tricky one, at your age I think that you will find it hard, nobody in this industry seem to be interested in investing in training people, most of the adverts I see on the FB forums are for engineers with three years experience or more. None of them are interested in taking on apprentices, let alone a mature apprentice. The wages for trainees is circa £18K, some much less some a bit more, most mature trainees couldn't survive on the wage. No certificate will help you either, without experience you are an expensive asset, the cert shows you know and understand the rules, but experience shows you know all the things you cant learn in a classroom like the product for example. So he needs to buy all the panels like texe, pyronix enforcer , dimension , self train and prove he can do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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