JimM Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Hi, our Scantronic 9853 alarm went off last night, put in the user code to stop it and it came up with a BELL TAMPER message on the display and I could not set the alarm again. Tried going into installer mode but when it came out again the same BELL TAMPER message appeared.This morning I took the lid off the panel to check for loose wires etc but all looked OK, however the anti tamper alarm didn't sound but assumed this was because the alarm wasn't set and had the tamper messaeg displayed. I also opened up the bell box and the anti tamper did kick in so that appears to be working OK but I now have BELL TAMPER and LID TAMPER messages on the display and can't seem to clear them, also noticed that the other keypads have a BUSY message on them. I'm hoping that the alarm triggered by some random event and it will all be OK after a reset but any ideas on what I need to do to clear the tamper messages to enable me to be able to set the alarm again?Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imnotshankled Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 26 minutes ago, JimM said: Hi, our Scantronic 9853 alarm went off last night, put in the user code to stop it and it came up with a BELL TAMPER message on the display and I could not set the alarm again. Tried going into installer mode but when it came out again the same BELL TAMPER message appeared.This morning I took the lid off the panel to check for loose wires etc but all looked OK, however the anti tamper alarm didn't sound but assumed this was because the alarm wasn't set and had the tamper messaeg displayed. I also opened up the bell box and the anti tamper did kick in so that appears to be working OK but I now have BELL TAMPER and LID TAMPER messages on the display and can't seem to clear them, also noticed that the other keypads have a BUSY message on them. I'm hoping that the alarm triggered by some random event and it will all be OK after a reset but any ideas on what I need to do to clear the tamper messages to enable me to be able to set the alarm again?Thanks Bell box probably packed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 There is something wrong with the bell tamper circuit, so the wiring needs testing with a meter or the bell needs testing and maybe replacing. As it doesn't seem intermittent it should be relatively easy for someone knowledgable to find and repair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimM Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 Thanks guys, guess the obvious thing to check is continuity of the cable and if that's OK invest in new bell box. Are bell boxes generic or would I need a specific make\model, any suggestions of what to get. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-yeti Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 55 minutes ago, JimM said: Thanks guys, guess the obvious thing to check is continuity of the cable and if that's OK invest in new bell box. Are bell boxes generic or would I need a specific make\model, any suggestions of what to get. Thanks Loop bell tamper at bell see if it clears the fault If not Loop bell tamper at panel One will more less tell you what problem is Maybe..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imnotshankled Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 58 minutes ago, JimM said: Thanks guys, guess the obvious thing to check is continuity of the cable and if that's OK invest in new bell box. Are bell boxes generic or would I need a specific make\model, any suggestions of what to get. Thanks Wired bells are universal would recommend something like a pyronix delta bell As al said try linking the tamper at the bell to see if the fault goes away if it does its the bell that's faulty If it doesn't its the cable that is faulty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimM Posted October 26, 2022 Author Share Posted October 26, 2022 Really appreciate you guys taking the time to help with this When you say loop the tamper what do I loop the tamper to? Do you mean I just 'jumper' the TR wire to 0V? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 Linking the TR to 0v will disable the bell tamper loop (on most panels) to rule out the panel being an issue, which is unlikely but possible. Not too keen on Deltabell. Any "wired SAB external sounder" should do, many manufacturers from CQR, Honeywell, Texecom, Pyronix. Scantronic/Eaton have one which is most likely to have wiring diagram for 9853 if you need. They may come as two pieces lid and backplate, companies would have the lid screen printed in bulk so they often come separate. Strobe flash is high voltage don't go poking it. Electrocution and working at height not a good combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imnotshankled Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 7 hours ago, sixwheeledbeast said: Linking the TR to 0v will disable the bell tamper loop (on most panels) to rule out the panel being an issue, which is unlikely but possible. Not too keen on Deltabell. Any "wired SAB external sounder" should do, many manufacturers from CQR, Honeywell, Texecom, Pyronix. Scantronic/Eaton have one which is most likely to have wiring diagram for 9853 if you need. They may come as two pieces lid and backplate, companies would have the lid screen printed in bulk so they often come separate. Strobe flash is high voltage don't go poking it. Electrocution and working at height not a good combination. Honeywell bells are awful who remembers the sonade bells Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixwheeledbeast Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 So? AG6 DIY and sparkie favourite... junk but available and popular. Everyone will have their own favourite panel and bell. If you have a sample size of 1 and it works for 10 years what's the issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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