STANDARDS DOCUMENT

[secboy]

Hi guys,dont know if anyone is interested but trying to creat a document for our customer which can be given to contractors assigned install work for cctv/intruder/door access as a guide for the standard of installation which is required for the job.

The idea is to high light in more detail methods of wiring within differing types of building/equipment expected to be installed,this will give the same ball park for competing companies to quote for work and give our customer a document by which they can sign off a completed job using their own compliance team,theres lots to talk about on this project and was curious about anyone else wanting to discuss(I know there are eu regs and bs that have a say in this but you would be surprised what they dont say) .please get back asap if u r,Paul.

[Rich]

Are you saying that you are going to give your customers a complete breakdown of how to install alarms/cctv and access, to give to the engineers/sub contractors when they arrive so that the engineers/contractors do the right job?

It just sounds like a consult's job.

Do you have a website?

[secboy]

Rich Hi! I work for a large national company but servicing a contract with a major uk national company(names would be indiscreet).The document would be for the single customer to control standards on their sites which we advise, yes i agree a simple cop out would be to hand loads of dosh to a consultant but I'm keen to put it together myself though it is proving difficult.Paul.

[Rich]

so your customer who you are aiming the documents at is another security firm your doing the work for?

I dont get it i think.

If your advising your customers about the quality of your engineers work on their sites, assuming you do get complaints of shoddy work, surely it could potentially be quite embarrasing, sounds like your opening yourself up for the pickings, unless you are 100% perfect.

[ian.cant]

I know there are eu regs and bs that have a say in this but you would be surprised what they dont say

Theres a dammed good reason for this (what they dont say) and the mistake your about to make is why they dont say it.

Its because the chances of every bldg etc being able to utilise exactly the same cabling methods are about zilch. Sure you may get 2 or 3 bldgs being identical but then the 4th isnt, although is should be etc!

The shape of the boiler (or whatever ) changes or they change supplier of the cabinets.

Some people have they're own methods which can vary totally from one engineer to the next but they still do a job within the regs.

To do what your attemting, assuming i understand your explanation (everyones understanding may vary) is similar to saying train tracks must always be straight, unfortunalty they sometimes have to go round bends!

Dont do it!

[Guest Adrian]

Hi guys,dont know if anyone is interested but trying to creat a document for our customer which can be given to contractors assigned install work for cctv/intruder/door access as a guide for the standard of installation which is required for the job.

The idea is to high light in more detail methods of wiring within differing types of building/equipment expected to be installed,this will give the same ball park for competing companies to quote for work and give our customer a document by which they can sign off a completed job using their own compliance team,theres lots to talk about on this project and was curious about anyone else wanting to discuss(I know there are eu regs and bs that have a say in this but you would be surprised what they dont say) .please get back asap if u r,Paul.

The way I read this is that you are trying to say for example, All cabling is to be fitted above false ceiling height, or fitted into trunking of a particler size (IE MT2) rather than clipped at ceiling height, etc...

Is this the sort of thing you are trying to put accross rather than rewrite all the current regs.

Adrian

[Service Engineer]

Rich Hi! I work for a large national company but servicing a contract with a major uk national company(names would be indiscreet).The document would be for the single customer to control standards on their sites which we advise

Giving a large customer some details of your intended methods of work is quite common amongst the larger companies and the national installers. I know at least one which requires smoke proof cable..?? amonst other non-standard things. They just want a breakdown of how you intend to do things, so they can allocate your working space, wiring routes, portions of wall etc etc. And then add changes to it as it suits them

[secboy]

Dave thats almost it but we advise a national Co on what they request andhow and who should do it we there fore want to give them the standards to look for when their own compliance team sign it off as good or not accepted.Paul.

[jb-eye]

Dave thats almost it but we advise a national Co on what they request andhow and who should do it we there fore want to give them the standards to look for when their own compliance team sign it off as good or not accepted.Paul.

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I may sound a bit daft here but we call these Work instructions (section 7 in our Quality manual) we give these to all new engineers to explain how we expect jobs done e.g.: cable route, cable size & type, bell box fixing, our colour codes, mechanical protection, ladders etc, etc, as far as i am aware all NACOSS co have them. This is also where the confusion on the use of 110 volt and staple guns arises.

Jef

[Guest securityconsultant]

Hmm

It may sound a bit daft but thats what I specilize in .

On larger sites I get the quotes deal with the install

I work for the main client and the alarm companys go via me takes alll the grey areas out of the deal

I also tend to issure a drawing so that all the compnys are quoteing from the same angle you'd be surprised how many times I've had two diffrent quotes for one building .. one company offers a door contact ,pir and a veritas the next ones qoutes a 20 contacts 10 pirs and a menvier 2500

ok thats a bit over the top but you get the picture