to what standard is everyone qualified

[mcelec]

i was just wondering to what level everyone on this forumn is qualified? because for those that are just security installers there is not a great deal of qualifications out there to achieve,

"sorry for being nosey"

heres a list of my qualifications

c&g 2360 part 1 and part 2 electrical installation

c&g "C" certificate electrical installation

NVQ Level 2 and 3 electrical installation

AM1 electrical competences

AM2 electrical competences

c&g 1851 security systems

c&g 2391 electrical inspection and testing

c&g 16th edition iee course

c&g 2400 electrical design and verification

HND electrical engineering

and also lots of training courses on various manufacturers kit and an IPAF card for powered access equipment.

i have managed to get quite a few certificates over the years

[norman]

I have a Blue Peter badge in origami, does that count?

[Guest]

Shiny shoes qualification can be important when surveying, along with the shirt and tie qualification.

[Guest]

i was just wondering to what level everyone on this forumn is qualified? because for those that are just security installers there is not a great deal of qualifications out there to achieve,

"sorry for being nosey"

heres a list of my qualifications

c&g 2360 part 1 and part 2 electrical installation

c&g "C" certificate electrical installation

NVQ Level 2 and 3 electrical installation

AM1 electrical competences

AM2 electrical competences

c&g 1851 security systems

c&g 2391 electrical inspection and testing

c&g 16th edition iee course

c&g 2400 electrical design and verification

HND electrical engineering

and also lots of training courses on various manufacturers kit and an IPAF card for powered access equipment.

i have managed to get quite a few certificates over the years

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I must admit I have not got your impressive list of things written on paper - but I do have a number of years in the trade and have worked for a local national, have been freelance for 7 or 8 years and soley do alarm system work, so my energies arnt split between millions of distractions, so I concentrate on one trade.

I new a guy once who spent years in college both normal and night school, had loads of quals etc, but when it boiled down to it, in the field he was ****, mainly because this field requires hands on experience of installing/maintaining - which a piece of paper cant give you.

[datadiffusion]

I must admit I have not got your impressive list of things written on paper - but I do have a number of years in the trade and have worked for a local national, have been freelance for 7 or 8 years and soley do alarm system work, so my energies arnt split between millions of distractions, so I concentrate on one trade.

I new a guy once who spent years in college both normal and night school, had loads of quals etc, but when it boiled down to it, in the field he was ****, mainly because this field requires hands on experience of installing/maintaining - which a piece of paper cant give you.

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Yup, agreed. In my last job, the number of Electronics Graduates who couldnt use a soldering iron was quite astounding... It would be OK but most just lied thinking we wouldnt ask them - then we used to give them a Velleman kit at the end of the interview.

Not always their fault though. I came from doing 5 years at Bristol College (the bit where I was essentially being an old Merchant Navy marine electronics school) and I would say at least 50% of the work was practical hands-on. When we transferred into Plymouth Uni for the 3rd year, the lecturer was telling us how he had to fight very hard to keep ONE working HF radio set in the lab and also to get the funding for the 2 day hands on soldering module! When I was at Bristol I was subbying for a local contractor so thats how I got my site experience, so after a few years I had a handy combination of skills.

Case in point though, I was lucky to get a contractor who trusted me to go off and do stuff on my own age 18. I suspect if he hadn't seen my private work during a routine inspection he would never have believed I was capable, despite having the C+G Electrical.

Stu.

[Guest]

For the record I just have a few basic stuff:- BTEC electronics engineering, BTEC transmission principles, C&G security alarm inst/eng/repair.

[Brian c]

Same as you mc, without the fancy ones at the end!

c&g 2360 part 1 and part 2 electrical installation

c&g "C" certificate electrical installation

NVQ Level 2 and 3 electrical installation

AM1 electrical competences

AM2 electrical competences

Does the online redcare test count??

[secboy]

Agree with the comments on bits of paper not being everything,unfortunately the person with the paper will usually rise high up the corporate ladder while the practical guy who can do the job blind fold will always struggle to get off the lower rungs, its the same for normal education there are three levels of entry into the job world.1.Those who get up to GCSE's

2.Those who get up to A levels

3.And the golden key for those who get a degree.

The person with the degree isn't required to do the job better he/she is just allowed higher up the ladder by the establishment !!

or perhapes I'm just being synical?????Paul.

[Guest]

Certified Intruder alarm planner by FFIC

Few make/model certifications by mfg's (like March Networks, HedPro, Esmi, etc. )

+ of course education in computers / electronics and electrical automation

Still I think that without _proper_ experience you are just an apprentice in this trade regardless how much you have education / certificates.

But like Paul said without education you will "always" do the dirtiest job.. Unfortunately? I don't know..

[datadiffusion]

Agree with the comments on bits of paper not being everything,unfortunately the person with the paper will usually rise high up the corporate ladder while the practical guy who can do the job blind fold will always struggle to get off the lower rungs, its the same for normal education there are three levels of entry into the job world.1.Those who get up to GCSE's

2.Those who get up to A levels

3.And the golden key for those who get a degree.

The person with the degree isn't required to do the job better he/she is just allowed higher up the ladder by the establishment !!

or perhapes I'm just being synical?????Paul.

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I usually find, especially in technical jobs, the middle management are usually those that have absolutely no technical knowledge, despite maybe having done the same courses as you or I, and/or no interpersonal skills. They start off doing installations / servicing (or whatever) and are rubbish. They cant be sacked, they cant do the job on the ground for both/either reasons above, so they get promoted into a niche and stay there for years and years!

Ive noticed this in four places Ive worked now, and every time the old-timers always relate stories of the manager being a hopeless technician 'back in the day'.

So glad I didnt fall for that 'hey you've got a Sociology Degree, join us as a Technical Accounts Manager' job route.

Stu.