Wireless versus wired

[Guest]

Peter,

I am really disappointed at you...

Be a man and tell @ your website that wireless IS ****.

(you may of course tell as well that wireless you install is the best PASKA you were able to dig from the junkyard)

I think that people who refuse to understand benefits of wired system deserve wireless system. You know: against stupidity, even God is powerless..

(*thinking loud* if people want paska in their neck's, why not to paskantaa on their necks yourself..???)

exercise 1: Find a coldshirish word in the text that means something (usually) brownish...

[Guest]

... I just need to get work from it.

And I do.

Pete

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I understand this point of view quite perfectly. As I said if people refuse to understand benefits of wired system they deserve wireless system. Why not to please them?

[Nova-Security]

It will be back up this weekend Dave.

Got a special feature on "Wireless Alarms"

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What a blank page ?

[bellman]

What a blank page ?

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Nah, a page full of info, but it goes blank whenever taxis drive past or somebody rings the wireless doorbell

Regards

Bellman

[Mavrick_001]

Fair play, as if you didn't jump into the decent engineer pit head first!!!

Sorry Dude.

HOWEVER, to back our man up here, I personally fit wired systems..... there are alot of crappy wirefree systems out there. To back Pete up though, I also install wireless systems, but decent ones.

Customer wants a wireless system, do you either, (a) loose the job or (B) find yourself some decent wirefree kit.

For the next person who says there are no decent wirefree systems out there your talking rubbish.

I personally, and a few people on here may back me up, think that the veritas r8 systems are ****, why..... because I see them avalible to joe public, and because I think there're ****! Loads of people fit them.....

Gardtec gear I think is quite good (having been installing it for ) Having worked with the best and now with the rest it's hard for someone who doesn't buy and install decent wirefree kit to slagg it off so freely.

Power to de main man Pete.... Aye!

[morph]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh so many experts in one place!

Not a lot of substance to the arguement though, yes there a lots of rubbish wireless systems out there and undoubtedly there a loads of rubbish wired systems out there.

Its like any product it depends entirley on the quality of the product, its application and its continued maintenance. If you expect to fit a product today and that in 5 years time it will operate the same, then you are dreaming. Wireless technology has come a long way and undoubtedly it has still quite a way to go, but the technology is improving all the time.

But lets not forget that Wired systems mess up as well, after all would ACT Meters be in business if wired system were perfect

Each system has its own merrits, personally I prefer wired systems and generally thats what we have installed. Over the years we have fitted Scantronic, Menvier, Rokonet, FM and Domonial, we have installed about 90 wireless systems and I would say that only about 6 of them have had problems. These were found to because of 1)External influences, 2) The Customer 3) The Equipment (in that order)

There are lots of knockers on these forums, but very few of you have ever said what you have fitted, where, how long ago and how many. Most people I find say wireless are **** and that they have only fitted one or two systems years ago or simply that there mate said wireless is **** so it must be true.

Its about time some of you actually stood up and justified your comments, rather than simply jumping on the band waggon, yes wireless has its inherent faults but so has wired, if suitabillity and correct installation are taken into account.

Most people also have fitted wireless without training or the appropriate test equipment, is that professional?

Wireless systems fitted in the right environments, using the correct equipment and installed correctly do function. They need to be maintained and looked after to ensure this.

As a point of note the page on my site about wireless was a joke as I do not believe that simply advertising one product fits all scenario, is the best method of convincing a customer that you meet their needs. Every installation has to be surveyed and the level of protection needs to be chosen to suit the risk.

[Service Engineer]

All we need to do is ask 1 question..?

Do ANY proffesional Installers on here have a WIRELESS alarm system installed in there own home as the only/main means of Intruder detection...?

I dare say that someone will say YES, but I bet at least 99% have a hard wired system fitted.

And the reason is simply because Hardwired system`s are more reliable, I don`t think anyone here regards proffesional grade wireless as ****, especially some of the newer class 6 stuff, but those of us who have fitted the best of both will naturally choose in our opinion the better more reliable option.

[Nova-Security]

Nah, a page full of info, but it goes blank whenever taxis drive past or somebody rings the wireless doorbell 

Regards

Bellman

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Iam glad your back and on top form

[morph]

All we need to do is ask 1 question..?

Do ANY proffesional Installers on here have a WIRELESS alarm system installed in there own home as the only/main means of Intruder detection...?

I dare say that someone will say YES, but I bet at least 99% have a hard wired system fitted.

And the reason is simply because Hardwired system`s are more reliable, I don`t think anyone here regards proffesional grade wireless as ****, especially some of the newer class 6 stuff, but those of us who have fitted the best of both will naturally choose in our opinion the better more reliable option.

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Fair point Dave, but in reallity would we have any reason to install a wireless system in our own propertys? after all own the property and can install as we please, lifting carpets, cutting chases, redecorating etc etc, only person to complain is the missus.

Whats the best panel on the market..................the one that we use day in and day out of course

The main thing that gets me, is the fact that attitudes NEVER seem to change and the same old predjudices still exist, but very few Installers ever qualify what they have used, always big sweeping statements. A lot of installers may have touched wireless years ago but the market has developed somewhat, yes there will still be problems, but unless installers are actually trying products who can the qualify the statements there making.

This cuts boths ways also, theres guys on here singing the praises of Wireless and not justifying there comments.

Is this industry stuck in the past or are actually going to give Technology a chance?

Also if the doubters say wireless is ****, I take it they don't use Dualcom or Redcare GSM and wireless sms devices.

[Service Engineer]

Also if the doubters say wireless is ****, I take it they don't use Dualcom or Redcare GSM and wireless sms devices.

That`s a totally different kettle of fish Colin, phones and the technology they use are well proven and only they use the frequency allocated to them, and as an added bonus hardly anything else uses frequencies near to the mobile frequencies.

But you can buy jammers for any frequency, in fact they are readilly available for the phone network, and would require little modification to drop down a few bands onto the newer 800Mhz + alarm frequencies. The 400Mhz + alarm band is even easier to block, so dont get installing any near to 70cm radio ham operators, yeah I know thats 433Mhz but wanging 50 watts into a yagi will drown any near frequency receiver especially high sensitivity receivers used in alarm equipment.

Jamming the receivers though is only one concern, there are many others which have been mentioned before.

As for equipment I have fitted, well there hasnt been that much, I have never had the pleasure of a Powermax or Infinitie. But in the last year have fitted quite a few class 6 Domonials, some FM 4000X, and few Hybrid Scany 9751`s. Out of them all the Domonial was the better more reliable unit, but its lack of any user features and its other limitations left a lot to be desired.