Guest jas0n Posted April 22, 2005 Posted April 22, 2005 So basically the systems are temporary until building works have finished?Just out of interest, how many cameras per site do you have, how many are domes and do you have a broadband connection to each site? What is it that this other company does for you that's so expensive, and how do you know they are expensive if you have no idea what they are doing for you? Do you own the equipment that you already use? What's your current in house central station like atm? Your asking us to cut the throat of our colleagues just to get you a cheaper price and do it yourself, I don't think many here will give you the information you actually want. I suspect that if you are wanting to spend thousands on the equipment you may as well pay an extra percentage on top to have it looked after by people that know what they are doing and are able to provide you with a proper service. Sorry to sound negative, but what if the builders said to you, well we fit this wall so we may as well run the network cables along it and get rid of the IT guy. Yes IT, Security and comms are integrating, but that is exactly what it is, they aren't becoming the same thing. At least get a consultant in to give you the correct advice specific to your needs, you need someone with product knowledge to pay you a visit. Or you could do like you say and get a manufacturers salesman to blindly put together a system for you, so you can then chuck it back in his/her face when something goes wrong. 49754[/snapback] Yes, temporary ... usually a compound with a couple/few metal site cabins, generator or mains electricity. Sometimes no phone lines can be installed due to distance. Currently isdn is installed if possible. Broadband only happens if more than a couple of site staff have laptops and will need access back to corporate wan. no broadband if site is not likely to be active for more than four months or so. Current central station is purpose built security station with room for various equipment - only thing in use currently is phone, tv, barrier control, desk and chair. There is a seperate temperature controlled server room with a couple racks/plenty of spare capacity and structured cabling throughout. Negative is fine ... im sceptical about anything until its been up and running for a year or two sucessfully and even then like to review from time to time to fine tune or make sure there isnt a better method. Consultant advice sounds exactly the way forward but I like to know an area reasonably well so I can discuss it with a consultant and not be led by the nose like a horse, ive seen too many people rely on poor advice from someone who was supposed to know their field.
Guest jas0n Posted April 22, 2005 Posted April 22, 2005 The amount of information and advice you need isnt answerable on a forum.Theres alot more to it than, "buy this bit here and get this etc " as your well aware. What you really need is a Consultant, it will pay off in the end as the pitfalls of trying to do this yourself will be expensive. I wouldnt say i am expert in this set up but ive done a few with a local company i subcontract for and i know its quite complicated in parts and there are a lot of good shortcuts also. It certainly isnt Plug and Play and with respect to your electricians, they would be out of their depth. Should it go wrong theyre going to struggle to get their heads round it all at the worst time. What region are you working in and maybe someone here can help out with a suitable contact. 49739[/snapback] The electricians would only be used for fitting out and cabling, they already cable the sites for generators, lighting and power. Also data when required as well as terminating this on both ends. They're good, but I wouldnt expect them to have any part in the actual bones of the security setup. Im West Midlands based. The sites are Central and South West England generally.
Guest jas0n Posted April 23, 2005 Posted April 23, 2005 Consultant wise, would you recommend an independant ? ... ive just come across Longcross who seem to be a major player if their client list is anything to go by. Any recommendations?
Service Engineer Posted April 23, 2005 Posted April 23, 2005 We have a member "Security Consultant" who may be worth contacting. ........................................................ Dave Partridge (Romec Service Engineer)
secboy Posted April 24, 2005 Posted April 24, 2005 Jaz, with reference to finding a supplier for the equipment dont be affraid of contacting Norbains or other national supplier and arrange for a meeting by their regional sales reps, I have found the security industry to be one of the most helpful unconditional sources of advice and support and they will be only to happy to give you FREE advice if you request it with the correct attitude,they of course will hope that you will become a future customer but will accept any future bussiness or not as their risk,also you could find some regional security suppliers and introduce yourself they may be able to assist with putting you in touch with their own reps-you can never get too much info when investigating a project. There is a major trade exibition at the NEC very soon which would be very helpful to you for contacts, i hezitate to say to much on the open forem but if you approach local suppliers to prove your genuine interest I'm sure they will tell you all about it but be quick!regards Paul(secboy)
secboy Posted April 24, 2005 Posted April 24, 2005 Jaz, with reference to finding a supplier for the equipment dont be affraid of contacting Norbains or other national supplier and arrange for a meeting by their regional sales reps, I have found the security industry to be one of the most helpful unconditional sources of advice and support and they will be only to happy to give you FREE advice if you request it with the correct attitude,they of course will hope that you will become a future customer but will accept any future bussiness or not as their risk,also you could find some regional security suppliers and introduce yourself they may be able to assist with putting you in touch with their own reps-you can never get too much info when investigating a project. There is a major trade exibition at the NEC very soon which would be very helpful to you for contacts, i hezitate to say to much on the open forem but if you approach local suppliers to prove your genuine interest I'm sure they will tell you all about it but be quick!regards Paul(secboy)
Doktor Jon Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 (jas0n @ Apr 23 2005, 12:18 AM)Consultant advice sounds exactly the way forward but I like to know an area reasonably well so I can discuss it with a consultant and not be led by the nose like a horse, ive seen too many people rely on poor advice from someone who was supposed to know their field. Surely not, poor advice from a supposed expert, how could this possibly happen jas0n, You've had some good advice from the other guys, and you're already on the right tracks. Prepare your list of equipment used on existing sites, and then put it to one side - don't consider anything substantive about system design until you've put togethor your 'wish list'. Thinking about what you do now, prepare a comparative sheet showing all the pro's and cons, then have a think about what you'd like to be able to do, now and in the medium term. Gather togethor as much information as possible about management procedures (inc. Health and Safety) which can be enhanced / affected through the use of CCTV; collate a general site risk assessment, and seperate crime audit sheet showing the scale and nature of problems on sites in the last 12 - 24 months. Think seriously about a 'global' concept for the company, and not just a tidy solution for your corner of the empire. It'll make life a lot easier later on. Only when you have all the preparatory documents put togethor, can you have a proper discussion with anyone who seriously knows about the inner workings of CCTV. Oh and another point worth considering. Prices have certainly dropped in the last couple of years, but this has in part been due to a massive influx of sometimes questionable gear sourced from the most competitive (cheapest ) Taiwean manufacturers. I'm sure you can recognise a similar trend in the IT sector. regards, D.J. http://www.doktorjon.co.uk
Doktor Jon Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 (jas0n @ Apr 23 2005, 12:18 AM)Consultant advice sounds exactly the way forward but I like to know an area reasonably well so I can discuss it with a consultant and not be led by the nose like a horse, ive seen too many people rely on poor advice from someone who was supposed to know their field. Surely not, poor advice from a supposed expert, how could this possibly happen jas0n, You've had some good advice from the other guys, and you're already on the right tracks. Prepare your list of equipment used on existing sites, and then put it to one side - don't consider anything substantive about system design until you've put togethor your 'wish list'. Thinking about what you do now, prepare a comparative sheet showing all the pro's and cons, then have a think about what you'd like to be able to do, now and in the medium term. Gather togethor as much information as possible about management procedures (inc. Health and Safety) which can be enhanced / affected through the use of CCTV; collate a general site risk assessment, and seperate crime audit sheet showing the scale and nature of problems on sites in the last 12 - 24 months. Think seriously about a 'global' concept for the company, and not just a tidy solution for your corner of the empire. It'll make life a lot easier later on. Only when you have all the preparatory documents put togethor, can you have a proper discussion with anyone who seriously knows about the inner workings of CCTV. Oh and another point worth considering. Prices have certainly dropped in the last couple of years, but this has in part been due to a massive influx of sometimes questionable gear sourced from the most competitive (cheapest ) Taiwean manufacturers. I'm sure you can recognise a similar trend in the IT sector. regards, D.J. http://www.doktorjon.co.uk
Doktor Jon Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 Apologies for the double entry guys, I had a 'failed' error message on the first attempt Don't you just love computers!!!!
Guest jas0n Posted May 8, 2005 Posted May 8, 2005 All comments taken on board ... a couple of us will be visiting the ... show ... I wont mention its name as someone else refrained from that too for some reason ... it seems a good way to start the ball rolling. Thanks all.
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