Sensormatic SpeedDome Gurus, HELP Please!

[Guest karab95]

Correct, and apparently this 'network unit' in question is the EIM Module (Extended Interconnect Module). The rest is RJ-45 Ethernet and RS422/SensorNet wiring. The real question here is, just where do I find this EIM Module???

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[Guest karab95]

Aha! Check this URL out...

http://www.cctvproducts.com/cctvproducts/senrveimexin.html

It's technical designation is the RVEIMKIT.

Now... anyone mind giving me $78.13 dollars???

[Guest Rob1547]

Can ANY Touch Tracker use the EIM for direct dome control, or only the controllers that support Direct Dome Control?

That would be awesome if the EIM would turn any TouchTracker into a Direct Dome Controller. Anyone know if this is possible?

[Matt the Teckie]

Hi chaps, I used to be the Product Specialist for Sensormatic at the time that this dome was launched into the UK.

The EIM can only really be concidered as a breakout box for the interconnection of power and data.

The ADTT16E communicates with the dome using Sensornet Data (bastardised RS485) and requires unshielded twisted pair on a daisy chain topology. It can be used to take RS232 and convert it into SNET dome commands. It's also used as the telemetry driver for the Intellex product.

The ADTTE is the Touchtracker equivalent to the full size matrix keyboard (AD2088 etc) and only sends out RS232 to the matrix switch (AD48, AD2060 ect).

In short, as far as controlling the dome directly using only the ADTTE, you've got no chance, you'll need a ADTT16E. Sorry about that.

Hope this helps

[electrocam]

Matt, out of interest, I have a couple of Ultra V domes, running them on RS-485 with a program I wrote, the pan/tilt commands for preportional (joystick) control seem to be very laggy, was there ever a work around or different command that could be used?

(sorry for hijacking original posters thread, please feel free to split this topic into a new one )

[Matt the Teckie]

Hey fella,

If you're sending RS485, the dome's most likely using half RS422. You need a very specific RS485 driver chip to generate Sensornet data.

If you send me an email, I'll reply with the complete RS422 command set if you'd like. Not sure how this works though. I'm reluctant to post a private email address (sorry spammers) directly into the forum.

Alternativly, let me know your email address and I can get it over to you that way.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of latency are we talking about?

[morph]

Hey fella,

If you're sending RS485, the dome's most likely using half RS422. You need a very specific RS485 driver chip to generate Sensornet data.

If you send me an email, I'll reply with the complete RS422 command set if you'd like. Not sure how this works though. I'm reluctant to post a private email address (sorry spammers) directly into the forum.

Alternativly, let me know your email address and I can get it over to you that way.

Just out of curiosity, what kind of latency are we talking about?

Use the boards PM system.

[Guest Rob1547]

Thanks so much for the info Matt, I will definetly be keeping in touch about further questions. In fact, I have a few here if you don't mind answering them. Lets say I have one SpeedDome Ultra 3, one Touch Tracker ADTT16E and the power supply for the dome sitting on my desk. How do I go about connecting them? Is there a special cable needed or can I just run RJ-45? I'm assuming Power, PTZ Control and Video Output (BNC?) are all 3 seperate connections on the dome? Whats a J-Box used for?

Also, the AD support rep said that the standard base for the ultra 3 is a pain for first-time installation, and that he highly recomended the I\O board. I know this is somewhat true, but will the standard base work fine, or is there a real advantage to using the I\O Board. She made it sound like connecting power and PTZ Control would be much harder with the Standard base. I am a little confused as you can see but I'd really love to get this thing up and running. Thanks so much!

[Matt the Teckie]

Thanks so much for the info Matt, I will definetly be keeping in touch about further questions. In fact, I have a few here if you don't mind answering them. Lets say I have one SpeedDome Ultra 3, one Touch Tracker ADTT16E and the power supply for the dome sitting on my desk. How do I go about connecting them? Is there a special cable needed or can I just run RJ-45? I'm assuming Power, PTZ Control and Video Output (BNC?) are all 3 seperate connections on the dome? Whats a J-Box used for?

Also, the AD support rep said that the standard base for the ultra 3 is a pain for first-time installation, and that he highly recomended the I\O board. I know this is somewhat true, but will the standard base work fine, or is there a real advantage to using the I\O Board. She made it sound like connecting power and PTZ Control would be much harder with the Standard base. I am a little confused as you can see but I'd really love to get this thing up and running. Thanks so much!

Not a problem Rob....

Firstly, you could really do with locating the Dome PSU closer to the dome itself. As far as the Tracker's concerned, there should be a five way compression connector on the EIM. Centre is ground (not needed really), the inner pair is for 24Vac power to the Touch Tracker. The outer pair is used for your SensorNet data. Don't worry about polarity, it sorts itself out. Take the RJ45 lead between the Tracker and the EIM and you're done. Dont forget to apply data termination at the end's of line.

For Sensornet Data, there's a major installation factor which sets it aside from other RS485 communication systems. Due to reasons that take some explaining you should unly use unshielded twisted pair for the connection between the tracker and the domes (daisy chain topology). To the dome you'll need this cable, some coax for video and whatever you usually use for power.

The J-Box is a nifty (if a bit expensive) piece of hardware used primarily for data and power distribution. If ever you need to star wire the domes, a J-Box should always be used to keep data collision and termination issues to a minimum. It also offers some lightning protection too. Just as a word of warning, there are two types of J-Box, Sensornet (1 and 6 channel) and RS422 (1 and 10 channel). Also, it's a good idea not to repeat the data more than three times through J-Boxes. This data system suffers some latency issues.

Pigtail vs I/O boards

I've certainly never had a problem with the Pigtail kit. This usually consists of compression connectors for the dome and a BNC fly-lead with an annoying mini connector for video. The I/O board is a bit more sophisticated (and more expensive). It has lighning protection and opto-isolation for both video and data. It has a little test button that allows you ensure you have comms with the controller before you connect the dome. It also adds capability to add up to four alarm inputs to the dome which can be relayed back to the controller.

Overall the ADTT16e and dome is a really nice combo. Does the job extreamly well. It's just important to take into account the SensorNet requirements.

Not sure what the rep was talking about, it's a doddle getting this gear working using either I/O.

Oh, Mr Electrocam. Feel free to "PM" me with your email address (thanks alarmguard)

Later dude

Matt

[Guest Rob1547]

Your the man matt. I bought the RUPTB (Standard Base) for the camera, I also purchased a Sensormatic Universal Power Supply (0300-0914-01). (Link here.) My question is, how do I connect this part of the adapter to the dome? Are those leads on the adapter just for bare wire that you screw down?

I found an extremly basic program to control the dome. All I need to do now is connect power to my camera and convert RS-422 to RS-232. This will be another post I'm sure, unless you can tell me how to do it. I know you need a converter, but I have no clue what cabling to use. Will standard RJ-45 cable do?

Thanks again for my seemingly novice posts!