Guest Posted July 31, 2005 Posted July 31, 2005 ...Does this mean that there are ways to get around any security system if you know how it works? ... Yes it does. You will thou need quite a lot of detailed info, enough time and a good plan. Practically professional installer can do the system so that it would take too much efforts when compared with possible results. (Unless it is wireless when you don't need more info than that)
jb-eye Posted July 31, 2005 Posted July 31, 2005 Serve you all right for entering into conversation with anything more than what is in the user manual. I rarely entertain the public forums as im in the business of selling my knowledge not giving it away. This guy has made some very professional installers look like complete chumps, and it wasn Customers!
Guest Dobbin Posted July 31, 2005 Posted July 31, 2005 Jef I have no intention of making anyone look like chumps and I think the only responders that appear that way are the ones who behave less than professionally. You have a right to your opinion but I really cannot see why you have bothered to visit the !!DIY Alarm Installers!! forum if you have no intention of helping? I appreciate the fact that some people are prepared to give their time to help others and I also appreciate that some people haven't got the time or others the inclination. Yes I am dissecting replies and firing new questions. That is how I am gathering the knowledge for my installation project (is that not how everyone gains knowledge? - think about young children banging away with question after question in their development) If some of you professionals out there want to help then great, as I said I really appreciate it. If you don't want to help then that is okay too. Don't! I cannot, however, see the point in denegrating your fellow trade members that do help? Yes I have taken and dissected the replies I have received and I am now coming up with a kit list. Again I would appreciate comments on the list from anyone who wants to help. Thanks again for your time. I really do appreciate it. Dobbin
Guest Peter James Posted July 31, 2005 Posted July 31, 2005 Nothing in this life is infalable, and with the right information you can empty a fruit machine, win at black jack, and yes get round an alarm system. This is why Wakefield will not install equipment that can be purchased by the general public. Q5) It depends on the panel on what you can do with the outputs, I control my central heating, hall and landing lights, lock and unlock my safe, I did run cables to all my curtians so I could operate the auto curtains remotely.(my outputs can be progged to do anything I need them too, my panel has several timers s the outputs can be set to switch on and of regardless to anything else the alarm is doing) Q9 Service timers are used by some companies to force the customer to phone them when the service is due. All inspected companies (as Nova replied) have screened their whole staff to B.S.5878, Im not saying that unaproved companies are no good or dishonest in any way, but yer pays yer money yer takes yer choice. Jef Although I can see your point I think this chap would go down the diy route whatever info we give him (or dont give him). The way I see it by not helping him we end up with another poorly installed diy system that keeps going off and preventing others of making that security purchase. I would be suprised if Dobin is able purchase all the kit he is talking about, if the upload download software is available to the general public then god help all with a premier system is all I can say. It wont take long for some hacker to find a backdoor into every panel and isolate every zone. Pete
jb-eye Posted July 31, 2005 Posted July 31, 2005 Jef Although I can see your point I think this chap would go down the diy route whatever info we give him (or dont give him).The way I see it by not helping him we end up with another poorly installed diy system that keeps going off and preventing others of making that security purchase. I would be suprised if Dobin is able purchase all the kit he is talking about, if the upload download software is available to the general public then god help all with a premier system is all I can say. It wont take long for some hacker to find a backdoor into every panel and isolate every zone. Pete 62954[/snapback] I take your point Peter and like you I would never consider Texacom, but can we agree that as long as he stays with something as easy and available as Texecom, that we refrain from divulging potentially dangerous and damaging information about electronic security to the public.Jef Customers!
breff Posted July 31, 2005 Posted July 31, 2005 I do wish you'd stop having a go at Texecom, you have absolutlely no idea what you are talking about. All software for all panels is available to anyone with the correct knowledge and Wintex is no exception, oh and without the correct passwords access to the panels is hopeless anyway. It really does annoy me when people just dismiss equipment just because they dont't use it and they think because its more available than others, that makes it useless. 62965[/snapback] Quoted for total agreement. Dobbin, I'll say when you install the system rather than if, you will undoubtedly get stuck with some of the programming options, if I can help without giving sensitive information I will try. Monteey also has great experience with Premier Panels. The opinions I express are mine and are usually correct! (Except when I'm wrong)(which I'm not)
Guest Dobbin Posted July 31, 2005 Posted July 31, 2005 Monteey It's good to see that Texecom has some supporters. I thought that there might be security around the PC/Wintex link. Jef said as long as he stays with something as easy and available as Texecom Is the Texecom Premier 48 as easy as Jef says?
Guest Posted July 31, 2005 Posted July 31, 2005 Is the Texecom Premier 48 as easy as Jef says? 62970[/snapback] Depends in which sense of easy you mean. Programming wise it's not simple for a first time install, but not difficult if you have some common sense about you. It is easier to get hold of in DIY circles than some other panels, but it is not as easy to get hold of as a lot of other panels.
Guest Peter James Posted July 31, 2005 Posted July 31, 2005 I do wish you'd stop having a go at Texecom, you have absolutlely no idea what you are talking about. All software for all panels is available to anyone with the correct knowledge and Wintex is no exception, oh and without the correct passwords access to the panels is hopeless anyway. It really does annoy me when people just dismiss equipment just because they dont't use it and they think because its more available than others, that makes it useless. 62965[/snapback] Mark I never said ist was useless far from it its good kit well built and does what it says on the box. But the fact that any one can buy it, (including engineer manuals) makes it too high a risk for me. Lets take Bellman for example,(sorry Chris) Chris is the sort of chap who will take things to bits and put them back together differently from how they were first developed blue rkp good example. Chris wouldnt dream of using his skill negatively to sabotage the system, but there are people out there just as clever as Chris that would. You have to consider every vunerability with security, I know the vunerability of every system I specify(you almost have to write it into the spec nowadays.) If the Texecom upload download software is availble to anyone then it cant be a good thing. How long do you think it would take a software hacker to get past its security? If hackers can produce keygens for Microsofts XP Texcoms little program doesnt stand a chance. Sure you need to know the phone number that the system is connected to but even that isnt that hard if you have the right contacts. I think its a shame that such a good product is so easily available, but on the other hand its a good thing it is for all the diyers out there. I dont think any less of you for using it, or anyone else for that matter. You're all entitled to your own opinion as I am mine. Pete
Nova-Security Posted July 31, 2005 Posted July 31, 2005 Premiers are not generally available, 62971[/snapback] They are, any electrical or security suppliers. I think other posts are comparing against panels that even some security companies cant buy. www.nova-security.co.uk www.nsiapproved.co.uk No PMs please unless i know you or you are using this board with your proper name.
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