hastings Posted September 22, 2005 Posted September 22, 2005 I would put the dialler in the loft with the panel, the phone line running outside is fine, BT do it after all. Once the dialler is programmed, you should hardly ever need to get to it. Therefore it does not have to be downstairs with the keypad, it would also be out of sight in the loft, even if an intruder smashed the alarm keypad, the dialler will normally still signal.
Guest gary Posted September 22, 2005 Posted September 22, 2005 I would put the dialler in the loft with the panel, the phone line running outside is fine, BT do it after all.Once the dialler is programmed, you should hardly ever need to get to it. Therefore it does not have to be downstairs with the keypad, it would also be out of sight in the loft, even if an intruder smashed the alarm keypad, the dialler will normally still signal. 69225[/snapback] Hastings Thanks for the reply,this was my original idea but I was now going for the Texecom which has the listen in feature and somewhere downstairs would have made more sense. Looking at all the other replies I relise now its a simple case of a bit more hard work and a bit of mess,that will cheer the old woman up!!!!!
Mavrick_001 Posted September 22, 2005 Posted September 22, 2005 Hi Gary,had a job like this yesterday. We've done a spot on job of fitting vibration sensors to all the windows and contacts to all the doors with no cable showing anywhere whatsoever.... it's the biggest nightmere of a house you could wish for. NOW THEN..... we've fitted a dialer, it would be an absolute pain in the backside to get the phone line from in the house and it would look a right state, bt have taken an overhead to the house and then clipped it down the front and drilled into the front room. So we've decided to follow their route up the wall and into a loft access wehre the cables run back to the panel. The thing is we all know what happens if the line is damaged and as we'd be "tapping" off the cable bt have put in on the outside in a maner of speaking it really makes no odds in this case. Hope that helps. CCTV Intruder Access Control Tony Hughes, Proprietor, TRADE MEMBER
ian.cant Posted September 22, 2005 Posted September 22, 2005 So would i be correct in stating then that this would not comply as you now have a cable as part of your installation which is outside of the protected area? I know that the BT line is outside anyway but thats not part of your install.
Mavrick_001 Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 It's up to the customer to provide the phone line installation and this isn't part of our quote. However if bt had done it or anyone else it would have been done the same. Now then if BT's cable is outside in the 1st place what difference does it make running mine inside. BT are hardly going to have a tamper cct running through their cable connected to my panel and neither are they going to start putting their cables in steel conduit or ally tude on the front of your house.... so what's the point. If the line wasn't clipped all the way down to waist height and was up out of harms way then obivously things would have been done differently, but I can't see how you can justify going to all the trouble of keeping your line inside with the main incomming bt line clipped on the outside ready to be cut.... what a joke!! As for non-complience, the company's not approved, however even if we were or I was working for an approved company I would be cartain to the toss with nis or ssaib inspector over the practical reasons behind doing it! CCTV Intruder Access Control Tony Hughes, Proprietor, TRADE MEMBER
Guest gary Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 just to add a slight twist looking at what maverick_001 has mention,would it be O.K to use any spare wires in the new BT cable I would now be runnig as a tamper or is there the problem of BT cable being solid and alarm cable being stranded. Its probabley a bit over the top but maybe if the facility is there why not. The cable run would be between 15 and no more than 20 meters but I could make it shorter if I had to. Gary.
ian.cant Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 just to add a slight twist looking at what maverick_001 has mention,would it be O.K to use any spare wires in the new BT cable I would now be runnig as a tamper or is there the problem of BT cable being solid and alarm cable being stranded.Its probabley a bit over the top but maybe if the facility is there why not. The cable run would be between 15 and no more than 20 meters but I could make it shorter if I had to. Gary. 69502[/snapback] If you insist on doing it that way then it wouldnt be a bad idea, the bad idea is to be running a cable outside in my opinion.
Guest Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 just to add a slight twist looking at what maverick_001 has mention,would it be O.K to use any spare wires in the new BT cable I would now be runnig as a tamper 69502[/snapback] Run them through a relay.
Guest gary Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 But as Maverick_001 said if it is running the exact route as BT's and exact same cable,whats the difference? But I guess we will be going round in circles here and you are the pros,so I think I will sleep on it. Thanks for the help.
Guest gary Posted September 23, 2005 Posted September 23, 2005 Run them through a relay. 69510[/snapback] Why would I need to do that,could I not just connect in series with the exsisting tamper loop.
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