Keyholders for audible-only alarms?

[Guest John C]

Morning all.

I thought you only required keyholders for monitored-alarms.

Do you require keyholders for all types of audible alarms? ...or is it only if the alarm is going to sound for longer than a certain time period?

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John.

[Zak]

What is the reason behind your question?

Audible Only systems don't require "keyholders" per se, although you are supposed to register with your local authority and possibly with the Police as well (with their new scheme)...........not sure if anyone does that though

Sounders are factory limited to run for any time up to a maximum of 20 minutes regardless as to whether audible only or monitored.

[secboy]

You should inform the police of key holders for a sounders only system so that if they need to contact some one if it goes off they can do so especially if there is a repeating fault! if you do not the local council can hit you with a noise abatement order and fine for £1000.

Paul.

[Zak]

Yes, but is this through their new scheme? Is it still in effect?

Have you ever tried giving those forms to the council?

Also, the original question could have been instigated by an alarm company trying to get "keyholder" info from their bells only client in order to do marketing.....

[secboy]

Yes, but is this through their new scheme? Is it still in effect?

Have you ever tried giving those forms to the council?

Also, the original question could have been instigated by an alarm company trying to get "keyholder" info from their bells only client in order to do marketing.....

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Hi Zak! Dont know if its "new scheme" "old scheme" "common sense scheme " or just plain "cover your a**e" scheme if you have something that will make a noise which could be non compliant due to a fault with the noise abatement laws you do what you can to give the appropriate authorities the necessary info to stop the problem and /or give access to the property If you give the info in a sealed envelope to the police/council its up to them if they log it for correct use within the data protection act as long as the alarm owner keeps a record of giving the info they will be covered in future !.

The last point should be covered by the data protection act!.

Paul

[j.paul]

Hi Zak! Dont know if its "new scheme" "old scheme" "common sense scheme " or just plain "cover your a**e" scheme if you have something that will make a noise which could be non compliant due to a fault with the noise abatement laws you do what you can to give the appropriate authorities the necessary info to stop the problem and /or give access to the property If you give the info in a sealed envelope to the police/council its up to them if they log it for correct use within the data protection act as long as the alarm owner keeps a record of giving the info they will be covered in future !.

The last point should be covered by the data protection act!.

    Paul

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Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act

[secboy]

Clean Neighbourhoods and Environment Act

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Aha! You see I still talk old money bet your under 35 JP?

Paul

[Zak]

From experience, if you send the BSIA form off to local councils they do not know what to do with it. Police stations no longer accept details in the way you said, at all.

The Met Police introduced a scheme whereby they have set up a database (which was contraversial at the time) of all residences and commercial locations with alarms. Basic residential registration was free - commercial a nominal sum.

Within the scheme they would contact homeoweners/keyholders if there was a problem. For an additional fee (if I remember correctly) they would assist in a more in depth way. Not sure if this is still in place.

Although everyone talks about Noise Pollution and associated mammoth fines, the worst that can happen on a correctly programmed panel is a few bouts of 20 minute noise (and possible a continuous internal sounder ). Not that that would be acceptable but from what I have seen, the owner, rather than facing a fine (for a non-malicious event) would just end up paying an exorbitant locksmith charge for when the council came out to dismantle the system.

I think this whole council/police registration is very ambiguous. That's ones of the reasons why everyone should have a monitored system

And if the alarm co's number is on the bellbox then in most cases they would be called by a neighbour/council in the first instance. If the owners are away and there is no contract then having uncontactable keyholders/owners won't help anyone anyway.

Perhaps someone here can elaborate further.

[amateurandy]

I remember when I installed my alarm, about 18 months ago, finding forms on my local council web site to register with both them and the police. Somehow I never did fill them in, and made other arrangements.

Just as well, the forms are no longer there...............

[jb-eye]

From experience, if you send the BSIA form off to local councils they do not know what to do with it. Police stations no longer accept details in the way you said, at all.

The Met Police introduced a scheme whereby they have set up a database (which was contraversial at the time) of all residences and commercial locations with alarms. Basic residential registration was free - commercial a nominal sum.

Within the scheme they would contact homeoweners/keyholders if there was a problem. For an additional fee (if I remember correctly) they would assist in a more in depth way. Not sure if this is still in place.

Zak

Dave had a respondent on about this the other day. I offered a relevant extract from a BSIA document and now attach the whole document with the relevant part highlighted. All things considered it appears to me that due to the lack of legislating intruder companies forces are at hand to drive standards up through other means and ultimately we will end up where monitored systems become the norm.

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