Vibration Or Magentic/opening Or Both?

[Adi]

A fair comment.

[Guest ALSEC]

I assume you are referring to my post. I was deadly serious - he does do this for a living so that is why he picked it up.

As for the totally out of order verbal assault:

"for those that always feel the need to show how elite and brilliant they are, please stay off my threads unless you have something usefull or ontopic to add.

Man there is such an attitude on this site.

I'm posting in the DIY forum about a DIY question and you feel the need to try an belittle me, playground behavior guys, and a p*** poor attitude.

Maybe get out a bit more and check out someother boards, you will see that mods/"super"members are willing and eager to help people who ask questions"

All I meant was that if you want to double up on protection for all of these potential entry points then you really must be paranoid - this (in my humble opinion) is way over the top! My answers went meant in a light hearted way and you have posted quite a nasty attack.

Get off your high horse!

[Guest Greebo]

I assume you are referring to my post. I was deadly serious - he does do this for a living so that is why he picked it up.

ok, I'll ignore that one so, I guess text can be interpreted in the wrong way...

All I meant was that if you want to double up on protection for all of these potential entry points then you really must be paranoid - this (in my humble opinion) is way over the top! My answers went meant in a light hearted way and you have posted quite a nasty attack.

By double up I meant use vibration sensors aswell as magnentic contacts, would that be considered overkill? I dont see why, my PVC windows can be locked in a partially open position (about 1cm) that might not let the magnetic contact make a circuit, so I would be relying on the vibration sensor..

TBH other than possibly misinterpreting your "good catch" response I wasnt bothered by your post (hey, maybe the cops are after my Havanas )

I was more annoyed by the pointless remarks by whistle" & "Paul Giles". I am fully aware of having one sensor per zone, its the same natural logic that I use every day in my own job.

To answer the questions posed by Peter James

I have planned on having 2 PIR's in the house, one above the front door covering the hall, front door and stairs and another in the kitchen/diner covering the french doors and the kitchen.

Whats a "movement detector"? Is it different than a PIR?

Thanks for the window info Alarm Guard...

[Guest ALSEC]

OK fair enough, but you do need to remember we alway come across poor installations (and not neccessarily done by DIYers). I didn't think their comments were that offensive - certainly not enough to warrant the reply you gave!!

By double up I meant use vibration sensors aswell as magnentic contacts, would that be considered overkill? I dont see why, my PVC windows can be locked in a partially open position (about 1cm) that might not let the magnetic contact make a circuit, so I would be relying on the vibration sensor..

Then you would have to omit all the door contacts that wern't closed or else you wouldn't be able to set the system - it obviously can be done but it would be a pain in the neck.

Just a bit of advice.

[Guest]

Then you would have to omit all the door contacts that wern't closed or else you wouldn't be able to set the system - it obviously can be done but it would be a pain in the neck.

Unless you had the different types of detection devices on different areas\part sets, although that would be as much of a PITA as you'd have to omit all m\c's if you wanted t leave one window open.

Unless you had a group per detector, and a code per group, plus several mixed groups. So you could have a seperate code for every combination of different window and door being open or closed. I'll let you do the maths.

[Guest ALSEC]

Unless you had the different types of detection devices on different areas\part sets, although that would be as much of a PITA as you'd have to omit all m\c's if you wanted t leave one window open.

Unless you had a group per detector, and a code per group, plus several mixed groups. So you could have a seperate code for every combination of different window and door being open or closed. I'll let you do the maths.

Oh yeah, try explaining that to the missus when she wants to leave the tumble dryer hose hanging out the window when we pop down to Tescos!!!

[Guest]

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Where the hell did that come from?

[Guest Greebo]

another good point about the partially open windows requiring part set/different zones per sensor etc....

I dont have anything fancier than the averge Joe has in his house...

So what advantage is there in having perimeter protection if I can just have a movement detector in all the rooms?

Actually then I could go wireless and have no mess at all, though if they are Ceiling mounted I can just go under floorboards/attic

Oh the possibilities...

Is the general view that wireless is ****?

[Guest Greebo]

Wired is better if you can, movement detectors is easier and tidyer than siesmic or contacts on all the windows.

If you have to go down the wireless route buy the most expensive your budget will allow (class six), alternately get a quote for a pro to install a hardwired system.

Pete

Yeah, I was kinda hoping to do just movement detectors, that way I can wire them easy enough (under floorboards/attic) and save myself having to chase out to every door/window.

Quick question, I presume I will be able to reuse the existing alarm cable thats there (its brown and the new windows are black and white) so I will deffo need new sensors, might make sense to reuse the front/back door contacts though.

Is there a wireless system that you would recommend?

What sort of price would I be looking at for a full system, say 5 PIRs with the usual control pad/base unit?

Thanks for the help.

[ranger]

another good point about the partially open windows requiring part set/different zones per sensor etc....

I dont have anything fancier than the averge Joe has in his house...

So what advantage is there in having perimeter protection if I can just have a movement detector in all the rooms?

Actually then I could go wireless and have no mess at all, though if they are Ceiling mounted I can just go under floorboards/attic

Oh the possibilities...

Is the general view that wireless is ****?

There is no general view that wireless is ****. Wireless systems can be as good as a hardwired system. Some are very very good. I have installed many and all work very well.

But, as already mentioned, i, and most installers, prefer hardwired systems. Hardwired systems tend to offer alot more flexability, as mentioned, you can mix devices and makes. They also offer more programming features and in a way are more reliable.

As a DIYer, it can be a lot easier to install a wireless system, but it may not be the best option to best protect your property.

Ranger