Guest Umster Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 You can spec a system as a grade 2x. You can then add signalling as an 'extra' without affecting the grade.I can't see a benefit really, just spec it as a 2a/b/c in the first place? Hi Brian, Please can you advise me what a, b ,c mean? in as much detail as you can, Be as techincal as you like. Thank you kindly. Umster 2b = monitored with single path signalling2x = same level risk as Grade 2 but with no signalling 2b = monitored with single path signalling meaning? central station monitoring eg. custodian not BT Red care Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian c Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 It's quite indepth really. The grade number is relevant to the risk and equipment used. The letter that follows is relevant to the transmission equipment. 2A should have a signal transmission time of 60seconds, 25hour reporting and the path should have 99.3% availability. There is no restriction on the security of substitution of equipment or obtaining the information transmitted. Wheres a 2D system should have a signal transmission time of 20seconds, 180 second reporting and the path should have 99.8% availability. There should be measures to detect equipment substitution and encryption to prevent the obtaining of information. There's more to it than that but that's an idea as to the difference in grades. One benefit to speccing a grade 2x and then adding signalling is that because you added signalling as an extra, it doesn't have to have the 25hour reporting as it would if you specced a 2A. If you don't know......ask. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdosrun Posted January 15, 2006 Share Posted January 15, 2006 My 24, I am not in the trade at all, so I don't really know, but I did find this PDF by the SSAIB online which mentions that it is currently acceptable to use ungraded MRS because graded/tampered ones are not necessarily available or effective. http://www.ssaib.org/PDFs/Bulletin%201003%...%20guidance.pdf Andrew Any statement made or information provided in this post are the mere opinions of the author, and no inferrence is to be made as to the quality of information nor should any reliance be placed upon its contents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Umster Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 It's quite indepth really.The grade number is relevant to the risk and equipment used. The letter that follows is relevant to the transmission equipment. 2A should have a signal transmission time of 60seconds, 25hour reporting and the path should have 99.3% availability. There is no restriction on the security of substitution of equipment or obtaining the information transmitted. Wheres a 2D system should have a signal transmission time of 20seconds, 180 second reporting and the path should have 99.8% availability. There should be measures to detect equipment substitution and encryption to prevent the obtaining of information. There's more to it than that but that's an idea as to the difference in grades. One benefit to speccing a grade 2x and then adding signalling is that because you added signalling as an extra, it doesn't have to have the 25hour reporting as it would if you specced a 2A. Thank you for this info. Fully understood. Something interesting.... I've just been going through all my quotes from all different companies, both SSAIB and NACOSS It's seem that only SSAIB do Risk Assessments. is this correct? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morph Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 All installers installing to EN50131 have to carry out a risk assesment regardless of who they are approved by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Umster Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Hello again, I have a choice between two manufactures of PIR DT detectors. PYronix DT or Gardtec DT, which ones to go for? Thanks. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister_Dave Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Pyronix Dave Oxendale York based security systems engineer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova-Security Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Pyronix Out of the two Gardtec, and thats coming from a company that does not use Gardtec products. www.nova-security.co.uk www.nsiapproved.co.uk No PMs please unless i know you or you are using this board with your proper name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Umster Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Out of the two Gardtec, and thats coming from a company that does not use Gardtec products. Hi, so why do you say GardTec??? what's better? All installers installing to EN50131 have to carry out a risk assesment regardless of who they are approved by. PYronix DT or Gardtec DT, which ones to go for? what do you say Mr Alarmgard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morph Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 I have never fitted any of the Pyronix DT's but I have fitted the Gardtec ones. So I would in this choice use the Gardtec DT's. But in everyday use we use Honeywell DT's or Gaurdall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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